Who Do You Think WON back in King Kong vs. Godzilla(1962)?

I don't get what you're trying to say. There are plenty of fictional islands in the films that are given names (Odo Island, Iwato Island, Solgell Island, etc.), and the fact that a tiny obscure island sharing the name of this fictional island exists in real life isn't that surprising. A great current example is Isla de Mona from Godzilla: King of the Monsters. It's a fictional Mexican island in the film, but is also the name of a real-life Puerto Rican island. I'm not denying that Kamiko Island exists, I'm just saying it isn't the same island from the climax of Godzilla Raids Again.

Perhaps you'd like to show me some screenshots or quotes from your book that definitively "go against" my sources, which include Tomoyuki Tanaka's Definitive Godzilla Introduction , Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah Super Complete Works, Godzilla 1954-1999 Super Complete Works, Godzilla Dictionary, and the All Toho Monsters Dictionary (I have all the Japanese titles for these books on-hand, but for some reason it won't let me post with Japanese text). These sources all explicitly call the Godzilla from 1955-onward "Second Generation Godzilla", meaning 1962 and 1955 are the same Godzilla. Tanaka's book also says Godzilla was frozen in the Kuril Islands and floated to the North Pole, easily explaining how King Kong vs. Godzilla connects to Raids Again.

In the scene where Tsukioka gives his position, he also gives his latitude and longitude: 148 degrees east, 53 degrees north. If you plug that in, guess where it takes you. The Sea of Okhotsk, north of the Kuril Islands and between Hokkaido and Russia.

What's more, "Kamiko Island" may be a subtitle error from Classic Media's DVD release. All the Japanese sources I see call the island "Miko Island" (Miko-jima) instead of Kamiko Island, and I can just barely hear Tsukioka say "Miko-jima" at 1:02:50 in the DVD, though I can't confirm he doesn't say "Kamiko-jima."

You keep going back to everything I've already stated. First you agree and now disagree. Which is it? We've come to accept that the island is real. I'll admit you own a few books that I don't, but I'll gladly share what I do own. The authentic Godzilla encyclopedia, The unpublished material and resource book produced by Tomoyuki Tanaka, the All Toho Kaiju encyclopedia, funny we share the same book because this book proves that Rodan revived in 64 Which Shinichi Sekizawa retconned that fact, the Heisei perfection resource and guide book, 60 year history of Toho special effects resource book, and the Perfect history of Toho special effects resource book, the chronicle history of Godzilla book, the entertainment bible of Godzilla #41, and last but not least, the Godzilla graphic collection. Not to mention I've placed my orders for the DNA of tokusatsu book and The life of Ishiro Honda from Godzilla to Kurasawa book. If you want to see pictures of each, please feel free to contact me on my Twitter account. @thebigbadben90 is my account. 

This is one of the deepest discussions I've seen on this website

^Yeah when you bring up time codes off a movie you know it's getting deep. I'm sorry Huge-Ben, but I must agree with The King Of The Monsters. Hearing the commentary on Godzilla Raids Again they even say that this Godzilla is the one that carries on into the rest of the Showa series. I have the Godzilla compendium(if you consider it any source of info, I sure do) it also says that this Godzilla is the one that carries on in the series. He is credited throughout the series. Honestly as a kid I saw that this Godzilla was the same one throughout the series. Are we even still talking about that anymore? Or has the island Godzilla trapped on in 55 more relevant?

They moved that whole discussion to the Godzilla Continuity page

The Godzilla compendium is a fun throw away book. Although Tomoyuki Tanaka says one thing doesn't hold much merit to it. The thing is, these movies were written by different script writers and screen writers. Going back on Godzilla raids again, while the coordinates are there, he specifically said he couldn't confirm if Tsukioka said "kamiko-jima" or not. That's adding your own input to it. While there's a possibility that the subtitles could be wrong, I seriously doubt that is the case. Again, going off the film alone, the pure fact is Tsukioka said Kamiko Island. It's there, there's no changing it. Perhaps if I find a more original Japanese version of the film with better subtitles, perhaps I'll find more of a better translation. 

Either way, it's taking some time to translate these books I own. More to come soon. Substituting Hiragana and Katakana for Kanji is a b###*. 

You all can look at the films The way you want to, it should be heavily noted that Toho had no real plans of continuing Godzilla after raids again. Even Tomoyuki Tanaka said "It's been 7 years since Godzilla raids again. How were we going to revive him?" And as Gman stated, when Toho realized they could make bank with their own crossover, that's what lead to Mothra vs Godzilla or as the Japanese title say "Mosura tai Gojira." 

Oh. Well I'm glad that this dialogue can carry into two different pages. 

Sweet thanks for all the info. I'll hafta grab these books and go through them myself. 

I am going with what the film makers wanted it to be, a Kong victory. Godzilla was originally made because the film makers were fans and respected King Kong. If the original Kong and the original Godzilla fought of course the much bigger and stronger Godzilla most likely would have won, but that is boring. They wanted to tell a story so that story was up to them.

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^Why do you think he won? Could you please elaborate?

For me its a draw, Kong swam and Godzilla got lazy to fight back.

It seems Kong won and I wanted Godzilla to win. I don't like seeing the two mix.

we all wanted him to win:(

"GODZILLA" won cause you see "Kong" leaving his "Tokyo"!

Longtime G-Fan from way back here...having seen both versions, the story positions Kong as the "good" monster while Godzilla is in "villain" mode here. Kong is the winner, because, simply, he's the first one to get back up while G is under the water still, either unconscious or having fled. And I'm a guy who nets on G against most opponents. But remember G was beaten by Mothra. Every Kaiju can have an off-day.

Sweet, thanks for both of your inputs. Im glad this topic gets brought up once in a awhile. This topic will never die!

 I suppose another way to look at it is that G lost that battle but not necessarily the war so to speak. Down but not out. 

^Which would be true had there been a rematch--There wasn't.