SHIRO GOJI - You are most welcome. Do not let it wear upon you. Many of the individuals on SCIFIED very much enjoy having raucous debates! It is a very good way to relieve tension that has accumulated between two or more men and/or women. :)

Ok thanks also i will PM you.

"Godzilla 2014 had me on the edge of my seat waiting for Godzilla all the way until the end--"

That's a problem though. He's in the film at the beginning and after the bomb, we don't see him again until 2014 from 1954. There's a 60 year spand there. They could have had him doing something.

"Film just becomes boring, whereas G14 ended strong."

Complete garbage and a hypocritical statement.  2014 was much more boring due to Max Boring-Stein's script writing. Not to mention, people wanted to see Godzilla kicking @$$ in the film alot more than what he did. The cut scenes did not help.

G14 doesn't have anything new to offer other than new monsters. Sure, he sent that atomic breath down the female mutos mouth. But, biollante in 1989 and Orga in 2000, take the shots way before 2014. Orga's being a lot worse in terms of actually blowing the monster up from the inside out. 

Shin Godzilla may drag, but, at least it had a sense of humor in it. 

Hugeben i saw your artwork on deviantart and i love it!

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Why, Thank you. :)

I have been thinking of making an account there so i may PM you.

You don't have to be insulting Gman2887

Yeah I know, I usually am the one to get mad--but am still civil even those Ben and Gman are really agitated at what I'm saying. I literally just posted a comment saying I did not really enjoy the film as a whole, and I knew they were gonna say something, but not go into these refuting defensive states like this.

I must've worded it wrong. I meant that the entire film feels too much like a homage to the 1954 Godzilla, where he wrecks havoc then comes back and gets defeated. Ben, Godzilla 2014's second half is one of the most engaging moments in Godzilla history--and has rarely been done. The battle drags out for the entire second-half almost, and is extremely intense!

Shin-Gojira has an AMAZING first half, with the music and him destroying the city--before he abruptly goes dormant, perfect plot device for the military to make the weapon (forgot its name). When Godzilla returns it just feels too drawn out, and maybe even a bit overdone. Lasers start flying out of his tail, and back, and places I don't even know. I literally started laughing hysterically when I saw that, I had never seen anything more ridiculous than the amount of lasers coming out of his body.

I know you guys are OG Godzilla zealots, not to be insulting, but the film just to me--overall--does not feel as intense as Godzilla 2014, and nowhere near as engaging as even the Millenium Godzilla's.

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Gg, it's natural. You defend 2014 to death. I'll defend Shin Godzilla to death. As far as "I know, I get mad but still act civil about it" how are me and Gman not being civil about our debate? We weren't resulting to name calling, we were not insulting one another, etc etc. We are NOT Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. We are better than them.

"I meant it feels like too much of a homage to 1954" and? What's wrong with that? That was the entire purpose behind it. And like 54, as I included in my bonus material, it's the atomic horror all over again which btw, is Godzilla's true original character.

Sure, it's not for every Godzilla fan. But if anyone called themselves an expert on this franchise, they would know that Godzilla 54 and Shin Godzilla are a lot alike. As Dr. Yamane theorized, in 54, Godzilla was a cross between the land living and sea living animal. Guess what? That's what Shin Godzilla is. 

I enjoyed most of the Godzilla movies but Godzilla 2014 is my favorite. I have yet to watch Shin Godzilla but I will when it becomes available to me. I'm tired of people knocking G14 all the time, have most the fans even watched the 1960's godzilla films? Stock Footage galore! I nearly became burned out on Godzilla during my Godzilla marathon but I hanged in there and finally reached the 70's, 80's, and 90's godzilla movies which I enjoyed all of them except for Godzilla vs Mechaghirdorah, then I reached the millennium series and then ran into Godzilla Final Wars and was like WTF. I hated how Final Wars portrayed Zilla, it acted like a doped up Frog rather than how Zilla behaved in Godzilla 1998.

Updated: For Ben's post. What they are reusing that plot line from the original Godzilla? Thats outdated paleontology! At least Godzilla 2014 and the 90's Godzilla were hip with modern science.

Wow Xenotaris that's harsh of you insulting the original movies like that...

I enjoyed most of the Godzilla movies, I became more in favor of the Heisei Godzilla films as I got further in my Marathon. I do like the 60's Godzilla films but overly use of Stock footage kind of gave me Arch fatigue.

"I'm tired of people knocking G14 all the time, have most the fans even watched the 1960's godzilla films? Stock Footage galore!"

That right there shows me you have no idea what you are talking about. Mothra vs. Godzilla 64, Ghidorah the three headed monsters, Godzilla vs. The sea monster, Destroy all monsters are NOT Stock footage galore.

"Updated: For Ben's post. What they are reusing that plot line from the original Godzilla? Thats outdated paleontology! At least Godzilla 2014 and the 90's Godzilla were hip with modern science."

And that is also about as hypocritical as any statement I have ever seen. No, they are not re-using the plot line. They actually went with the full mutation process very similar to The heisei series. Did you fail to see that?

@Xenotaris

First I want to say the Heisei is my favorite era of Godzilla. Then I want to say that it was not exactly hip, Biollante covered cloning, so ok there's a good one, then Godzilla vs Mothra was just an environmental message, one we've seen before, Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla 2 didn't bring anything new either, and the less said about the logic of SpaceGodzilla the better(I really like Spacegodzilla and I'll admit that).

G14 didn't really stray that far from anything either or bring anything hip or new into it that I remember.

There's also no such movie as Godzilla vs Mecha Ghidorah.

Now onto other things. Since we're talking about things that were similar to Shin can we mention 84? I mean maybe it's just the meetings, but I swear I picked up 84 more than the original with Shin Gojira.

^Can concur with Durp on 84 being closest to Shin-Gojira. BTW Why Ben, and Gman, do you put in quotes from our posts into your posts? It makes it kind of irritating, how you single out quotes and stuff them into your posts in italics...

Shin-Gojira is unable to maintain its substance throughout the last half, whereas Godzilla 2014 has the most substance throughout the final portion. What makes a movie is how it begins and ends, Shin-Gojira holds strong and is engaging, but ti just dies and becomes bland and repetitive--sorry!

GG he didn't die....He was frozen temporarily. So the people are obliged to coexist with him till he awakens again. When he will the Americans will nuke him. Also umm G14's substance is dark...but not as dark as Godzilla movies like 54, 84 and Shin are. Also if i hear one of your "opinion battles" again i will report it to Gavin or Chris ok. GG go to edit account and put a forum signature to have the quotes and pictures.

^You do know I'm a Moderator right? If anything gets out of hand I have to stop it, nothing is happening right now...You're going out of hand right now Shiro.

Well never mind me...but i'm still surveying you...all *gives Arnold Schwarzenegger look*....

BTW Why Ben, and Gman, do you put in quotes from our posts into your posts?"

Is there any harm being done by doing this? 

2014 being the better film? No way. Not in a million years. Shin Godzilla has much more to offer and is far from boring compared to 2014. 

I also find it funny that I'm in a debate with these two films when Shin Godzilla should be compared to the likes of GMK, which are both superior to 2014. 

^There is just no literal point in putting in the quote, I know what you're talking about xD. Godzilla2014 was far superior to GMK, GMK was extremely bland--and VERY strange.

And that's where you don't understand the Japanese culture. Gmk represented a trend in Japan during its time. Gmk is much stronger than 2014 ever wish it could be. Just like Shin Godzilla. 

Both represent Japan's culture for their time. What did 2014 have to offer? 

I meant the late 60's Godzilla movies, if you were a godzilla fan you would of know which ones I was talking about. The Late 60's Godzilla movies were stock footages of the early 60's godzilla movies.

Xenotaris the effects back then were limited so they had to use stock footage.

Good point Shiro Goji. But I've read on the wiki and Tv Tropes it was due to lack of budget. But Durp i said Hip with science, maybe I should of said Scientifically more plausible. Also Ben, I said I haven't seen Shin Godzilla.

Well that doesn't blame TOHO for using stock footage.

"if you were a godzilla fan you would of know which ones I was talking about. The Late 60's Godzilla movies were stock footages of the early 60's godzilla movies."

The only film in the late 60's to use stock footage galore is Godzilla's revenge 1969. Please study harder. 

Godzilla vs. Megalon

I know its from the 1973 but this movie I have to say was the worse of Showa era Godzilla films. Okay maybe it was early 70's Godzilla. Its been like two years ago since I last did the marathon.

There was a lot of movies to watch so I couldn't remember all of the correct dates.

I know about all the Japanese tropes and technique in the Godzilla films--I have studied for awhile, but that does not change that the film itself was bland, boring, and weirdly demonic. Shin-Gojira as-well was weirdly demonic, which is a common thing in Godzilla movies--but can also make the film feel to, overdone.

I'm a Heisei fan, always have been--and Shin-Gojira is very far down my list.

I'm sorry I must of been misspelling the movie's name. Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah was my least favorite godzilla of the Heisei peroid.

And the heisei series is some of the worst. I mean, 12 year old kids could point out how bad they are. 80's >90's by a long shot. If anything, the heisei series is the true ba#####ization of the original character. 

2014 is about as good as Godzilla vs. King ghidorah 1991 which is one of the worst. The heisei series from 91-95 has the absolute worst special effects in live action I've ever seen. All the flying monsters with wings are gliding through the air like cardboard. 

One of the worst with movies like Godzilla vs Megalon, Godzilla's Revenge, and various others out there? 

That might be going a little far.

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If anyone takes a step back with their brain on full power, they will realize how rough these 90's films are. Spacegodzilla is by far the worst.

Who's the main character in the 90's heisei series? The plots? Don't make me laugh. The plot in ghidorah specifically makes absolutely no sense. If Godzilla were truly gone, how would people in 92 or even 91 still know of the beast? The time travel wasn't the best thing ever introduced to the series. Like I pointed out, if Godzilla were truly gone, the Japanese would have no knowledge of Godzilla what so ever and the economy would have been totally different.

Well, I'm out of this discussion.

The Heisei Godzilla has some of the absolute GREATEST SPECIAL EFFECTS IN GODZILLA HISTORY. Godzilla vs King Ghidorah, although it is hyper confusing--is a ton of fun and has an amazing fight, far better than the lackluster Shin-Gojira final battle.

I know Shin-Gojira is a solo film, but Godzilla 84 and 54's last section is so much more intense and jaw dropping, it makes the film just seem low tier--to which, for a Japanese Godzilla, it is. If you don't like the Heisei Godzilla, you can't possibly be a G-fan.

"If you don't like the heisei Godzilla, you can't be a Godzilla fan"

??? Wut??? That's another hypocritical, lost, backwards, half-A##ed comment. 

"Greatest special effects in Godzilla history" ? Live action requires more than gliding through the air. The lack of wing flapping is enough to make you vomit. There's more to special effects in tokusatsu than just things that go boom or overly done with Spark effects there, Gg. 

I don't hate the films but, they are complete garbage. In fact, Godzilla vs. King ghidorah follows the same dang beats as Monster zero 65. 

Also, I find that incredibly rude. Especially when someone says that "If you don't like the heisei Godzilla, you can't be a Godzilla fan." 

So then I question you with this. If I can't dislike certain films because of their lack in knowledge, commonsense, and special effects, what makes you a better Godzilla fan, than me? 

It boils down to what you know in terms of tokusatsu at this point. Especially in knowledge of Godzilla. 

Never said I was a better fan than you. But, if you don't like perhaps the GOLDEN-AGE of Godzilla--I just don't see how that is possible, for a G-fan.

Well, Damn me. Sorry for having to study these films day in and day out, night after nigjt, week after week, year after year. 

It is possible though Gg. The millenium series, specifically, Tokyo sos, was retrending old ground and was a basic remake of Mothra vs. Godzilla 64 with Kiryu thrown in as an almost after thought. Same applies to Godzilla vs. Mothra 92. It was almost a retrend of Mothra 1961 with both Godzilla and Battra thrown in as almost after thoughts. G14, was like an American made Terror of mechagodzilla 75. 

Again, I don't hate these films. But, when you compare them to the movies that really banged the franchise into existence, specifically the Showa, you then realize how much ground is retrended. Although Shin Godzilla is a complete homage to 1954, it actually had some new ideas that took risks and kept Godzilla fresh. To me, Shin Godzilla is the movie this franchise has needed for a very, very long time. Sure, it has its flaws, but what Godzilla movie doesn't? 

After an extensive research period, I have deduced that "hard feelings" are the leading cause of topic longevity.

^Indeed.