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A new side of the bracket, a new thread. Round 8 was the closest round thusfar. Here comes the next.

 

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Both movies have been overrated to the core. Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla II was once hailed as the "second greatest Godzilla film of all time" in the mid-90s. GMK was of course called that for awhile as well.

Both have fallen out of favor with that kind of hype, but I think GMK is far and away a better achievment than GvsMGII, which might be one of the more dull films in the series.

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GMK's fans seemed to be on twitter as it beat Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla '93 11 to 8. Quite the round.

ROUND 10:

Godzilla 2000 VS. Godzilla: Tokyo S.O.S.

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Like 'em both, but the nod goes to Tokyo SOS. Overall, a more entertaining film and pretty much a direct sequel to G Against MG, which is probably my favorite Millennium film. I really liked the inclusion of Hiroshi Koizumi's character, and linking back to the original Mothra; nice touch there.

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This is a tough decision. Well, lets see.

Godzilla 2000 is a fun movie. I always liked Kenji Suzuki's special effects. The battle between Godzilla and Orga is actually some great kaiju fights. Katagiri got what he had coming to him from Godzilla. Godzilla's design is actually one of my top favorites.

Godzilla Tokyo S.O.S. is another great film. I actually feel like it was a remake of Mothra vs. Godzilla 1964 only with Kiryu thrown in as an almost afterthought. The special effects in this film are wonderful as well.

Both of these films are great. Both have some unique stories, exciting special effects, and Godzilla in both films in terms of design are great.

I think I will have to go with Godzilla 2000 but, barely. It was the first of the millennium series, Godzilla wasn't exactly a hero, anti-hero, or villian. I think Godzilla's role in the film worked great. He did his thing and no one complained. Godzilla Tokyo S.O.S., Godzilla wasn't a hero either or anti-hero. He was actually the villian in this film and the previous. However, Godzilla 2000 was released due to the fan out cry of Tristar's 98 tragedy and I personally enjoy Godzilla 2000 just a little bit more than Tokyo S.O.S.

So, my vote is for Godzilla 2000.

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I'm not sure right now they both are basically at a tie right now for me I'll have to watch the movies again to see which one stands out more.

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Wow this is close. I think I'll go with Godzilla 2000. I went to see it in theaters when it came out and I was like 4. It's one of the first movies I recall going to the theaters for.

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This is a close one for me, but I think I am going to have to go with SOS.

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While I really like both films, I'll have to go with Tokyo S.O.S. G2K is a really fun entry in the series, but it's very flawed and at times comes off as pretty mediocre. Tokyo S.O.S. I feel has moments where it is almost an absolute masterpiece, but suffers a bit from essentially being a rehash of Godzilla X Mechagodzilla with Mothra thrown into the mix.

But I really do think S.O.S. is a very good film. The callbacks to the original Mothra are great, and I especially love including Hiroshi Koizumi reprising his role as Shinichi Chujo. The human story really drags on at times, and aside from a few very memorable moments is really just a typical buildup to the final battle. The movie's final battle really is a great payoff though. It lasts for almost half of the movie, and features some excellent sequences. The battle between Godzilla and the adult Mothra is spectacular. Toho finally managed to recapture the magic of the battle from Mothra vs. Godzilla with some of the best special effects in a Toho film to date. Kiryu looks even better this time around, with a sleeker design and some even cooler attacks. The battles between Godzilla and Kiryu really don't offer anything new from the previous film, and that kind of prevents the film from being truly great. I think the film's ending is handled very well, providing nice closure to the Kiryu Saga and managing to be genuinely emotional. Not to mention that Michiru Oshima's score for the film is just astounding. I think it is honestly the best score of the Millennium series.

Godzilla 2000 tries to sort of simplify the series after the end of the Heisei series, but it really doesn't feel much different, as is to be expected considering how much of the old guard worked on it. The human cast is strong, but severely underdeveloped. For once, it left me wanting to know more about the human characters. The Godzilla design is great, but the execution leaves a bit to be desired with how stiff it is. Orga is a great new opponent for Godzilla, but again I feel he could have been executed better. The battle feels like it goes by a bit too quickly, and though it is an improvement over the beam-fest of, say Godzilla vs. Mothra, it's nothing really groundbreaking. The film's attempts at utilizing CGI mostly fall flat on their faces, and are laughable compared to the CGI effects seen in Gamera 3 from the same year. But still, the film overall is a nice entry in the series and was sorely needed at the time it was released to wash away the taste of the 1998 debacle.

But I'll go with Tokyo S.O.S. I feel that it's often overlooked due to how much it copy-pastes the film before it, but it still does a lot right.

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I vote for Godzilla 2000. I really enjoyed the monster battle in this one. I like that it didn't go back and forth so much between monster action and the human drama and just let the monsters duke it out.

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After rewatching the movies I'm gonna have to go with Tokyo SOS which is odd because I was leaning more toward G2000 before rewatching the movies. I think both have good characters and the pacing is pretty well done. I will say I give the character edge to G2000, but just slightly.

 

The effects go with a landslide victory to Tokyo SOS Mothra looks great, the best she's ever looked in my opinion, the fights were amazing with both Godzilla and Kiryu looking fantastic, Kiryu looks slightly better in this movie than the last one in my opinion as his extra armaments match his color not being randomly blue for some reason. Mothra fighting Godzilla is pretty much better than most of the fights in the series on its own, the final battle does drag on a little too long in my opinion Starting with adult Mothra vsing Godzilla, which isn't short, then Kiryu shows up and once it goes down the larva Mothra show up till Kiryu is fixed then Kiryu jumps back in to finish it. I know there were a lot of monsters to fit but just felt a little on the excessive side. In comparison G2000's fight is pretty short with Orga only actually appearing toward the end. The rest of the time we have to sit through Godzilla fighting the CGI craft. There's a fair amount of bad CGI in Godzilla 2000 I'm not sure if they did it because they felt pressured by the fact the 98 movie was all CGI, but just in comparison to other movies it felt like there was a lot. I didn't really see the need to CGI a craft that was solid and could easily be done by practical effects. The movement might not be as fluid, but it would have looked better. The characters also don't do anything once Godzilla shows up which is exactly like Godzilla vs Mothra 92, once Godzilla shows up again you just see the characters for reactions and exposition they don't actively do anything in comparison to Tokyo SOS with Chugo being a big part throughout.

 

So overall I think I have to give it to Tokyo SOS, both are great movies, but I think overall Tokyo SOS is a stronger entry. 

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Oh No!  If Godzilla 2000 wins, then my two favorite millennium series Godzilla films are gonna go up against each other! Gmk vs. Godzilla 2000? 

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If it makes you feel any better my two favorite Godzilla films of all time are going against eachother on the other side of the bracket.

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Durp004,

Two of the greatest in the heisei series competing against each other! It's going to be extremely difficult to pick just 1! Biollante vs. Destroyah.

I have a feeling that my top 2 favorites of all time will go head to head as well. That being Godzilla 54' vs. Mothra vs. Godzilla 64'.  If it boils down to it, I'll cast a vote for both. Lol. 

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I think Biollante is by far the better movie between the two, but of course I think it's the best movie in the series. I however like Destoroyah more due to nostalgia and personal tastes. 

 

If I look at it in a nonbiased way Biollante should kill it, but it could go either way. I personally hope Biollante wins betweeen the two as I think it's the movie that could go farther in this competition; I don't know if Godzilla vs Destoroyah could beat Ghidorah the Three-headed Monster.

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I think it's how we all look at these films. We all see things differently from each other. There's a lot of showa films not used yet and it bothers me on what they will compete against. Say terror of mechagodzilla competes against Godzilla vs. Invasion of astro monster. Which film will get the most votes? I love both of these films I just mentioned and I feel like both are more than worthy going on to the next round. 

I really wish this was a double elimination. :(

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Typo made. I meant Godzilla vs. Monster zero.

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The last part of this bracket is going to end up with a lot of good movies going out first round. Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla, Terror of Mechagodzilla, Gojira, Monster Zero, Mothra vs Godzilla, Godzilla vs Mothra 92, Son of Godzilla, Ebirah Horror from the Deep, Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla and Godzilla 98 are still left

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Another big round. Godzilla 2000 beat Godzilla: Tokyo S.O.S. 10 to 6.

ROUND 11:

Godzilla vs. Mothra '92 VS. Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla

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Well, time to confess. I love both these movies. I'll start with Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla

 

I think everyone has a bad movie that they find they love. Whether that is Godzilla's Revenge, Godzilla vs Megalon, Godzilla vs Megaguirus or a movie outside this series everyone has that one movie that is ridiculous, maybe bad but for some reason you love it. For me that is Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla. I love that after being in the last three movies for no reason besides name appeal Miki finally has a point. I love how once again for the first time in the last 3 movies psychic powers are actually used and attempted to control Godzilla, sure it fails but at least it was an interesting aspect, nothing wrong with every plan not going through, I love a Godzilla from space and how ridiculous that is. I love how they made Little Godzilla look like a better Minilla, but explained why he looked so strange. I even enjoyed MOGUERA. Yes I love Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla I don't think it's one of the best movies the series has or even top ten but I don't think it's exactly bottom either. 

 

Godzilla vs Mothra has great characters. I know they don't do anything for the last 15 minutes during the final fight, but neither did the characters from Godzilla 2000 and no one faults them. Takuya is a great character and is really underrated. Being ashamed of his shady profession, then eventually choosing his family over wealth. The effects fall pretty badly, but I don't think that hurts too much. It deals with its environmental message a lot better than Godzilla vs Hedorah, Battra is a cool monster, a Mothra from Earth with humanity being its greatest threat. It has parts that take directly from the original Mothra, in terms of the monsters but the characters change it enough.

 

Overall despite my love for SpaceGodzilla I think Godzilla vs Mothra is the better movie. 

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Whoa! Okay, this is an odd one. Let's see.

Godzilla vs. Mothra 1992 is well, a remake of Mothra 1961 with both Godzilla and Battra thrown in as almost afterthoughts. The special effects are better in this than SpaceGodzilla. It's got a better storyline. Maybe a few more interesting characters. The only thing memorable of Spacegodzilla is little Godzilla.

 

My vote is for Godzilla vs. Mothra 92'. I really don't care for either one due to the fact that both are films that I don't watch over and over.

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