GODZILLA: Which King is really King?

In fact, now that I think about it, most, if not all, of Final Wars is PIS and CIS.

@DEVIANTEIST - You're exactly right :) A large portion of final wars Godzilla's fights fall under CIS and PIS. This is the sole reason why I dissect his feats in the film the way I do, avoiding the topic of the difficulty of his battles and focusing on individual things like the strength of his atomic breath, its range, explosive power, his durability and stamina, and finally his physical power. In the end, his battle with Monster X is probably the best fight to look at when gauging his power. They battled as equals and put on a show worthy of any Shonen anime, both tanking serious damage from each other and beam clashing - in one instance the resulting explosion was so big, someone felt the need to break it down:

So realistically, its impossible for Final Wars Godzilla to be the weaker incarnation beacuse when you look at his feats you can't arrive at that conclusion. The ONE fight that we can actually take seriously in the film is actually all we need in order to measure his power. If anyone needs further details just message me and I will make my way back here ;]

The reason I ignored the CIS/PIS aspect is because it's a stupid thing to bring to a debate like this. When there are multiple Godzillas making appearances is as few as 1 movie you can't throw out plot convenience and character stupidity as that literally almost eliminates any evidence most Godzillas could have. Most of these rules for that matter don't really help the debate as I could argue against all of them.

As I said PIS/CIS is a dumb things to have as it removes evidence. Almost anything can fall under that depending how you look at it. To look at Final Wars ignore everything and look at only 1 fight is fairly dumb. Burning Godzilla himself is an example of PIS as throughout the heisei Godzilla got upgraded by a nuclear sub, Rodan, Spacegodzilla, and blowing up Uranuim deposits on Bass Island, so if we're really taking that into consideration Burning Godzilla shouldn't on the list to choose. I could go on and on giving examples of those 2 but they seriously don't need to be in a debate about power, it takes away evidence and potential topic, and gives some Godzilla incarnations a better chance than others depending what direction that director of the movie went with.

When you refer to feats are you talking about 1 monster? Well let's look at Final Wars feats. Fought monster x to a standstilll basically then would have lost to Keizer Ghidorah. Not all the impressive.

Heisei Godzilla: Fought Biollante while being infected with ANEB. Killed Ghidorah a much larger monster then himself then fough the future version with advanced tech. Reflected back mechaG's electricity the first time they met in GvsMGII. Took on a clone that was made from the most extreme conditions possible. Can't include Burning Godzilla since as I pointed out he himself is an example of PIS according to the examples we have, but even without him the feats heisei or even showa for that matter outclass that of the 1 fight Final Wars had. 

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@DURPOO4 - Ignoring thread rules because you disagree? Now thats dumb. We've already explained why those rules are in place. If you don't agree then you probably shouldn't try and debate here. 

I already stated why the rules that you put ruin the debate, however I'll go in depth and hopefully Devianteist will see this and see all the reasons why those rules do nothing but hurt this and make in unfair and hopefully remove them.

1. Almost every one of the 29 films run off their own logic and physics. To make a rule that governs over every single 1 of those evenly is extemely hard, much less 4 different rules.

2. With this kind of topic varying points will arise, different opinions, preferences, and biases will no doubt appear in the debate. For Kage432 to be, for the most part, the only 1 who had a say in the rules is unfair. It's 1 thing for some1 to come up with rules but a completely different thing when that person already has a clear choice in what they see as the right answer. This becomes obvious as you look at the rules that no doubt Kage432 analyzed each rule to how it would effect his choice(final wars) in hurting, helping and overall balancing out as he believed, but it is clear he didn't totally look at every other incarnation. This is most obvious in the rule targetted almost specifically at burning Godzilla, when the CIS/PIS made it so burning Godzilla isn't even a variable in the debate, due to Shindo randomly pulling a nuclear sub out of his back pocket in Godzilla vs King Ghidorah, and making him bigger and stronger. Thus every heisei godzilla after that, since it's a linear story is taken out of the equation. For rules to be applied this should have been brought up to every poster on this thus giving them a chance to see it it was evenly spaced out without hurting or helping any particular Godzilla.

3. This is the most important reason in my opinion and that is simply for a thread that asks what godzilla is the strongest to then have rules that take quite a few out of the running, or nerf them down to the point they can't compete is very unfair. Sure some do things that are crazy and you can always throw that out and say that's why they're the strongest, but that's what makes these fun, there will never be a sureshot, not debateable "strongest godzilla" unless the series ends and a panel of godzilla enthusiasts take an objective look at every single movie and come up with an answer and people will still disagree. To have rules on this type of topic which is almost 100% opinion based and it all depends on how much you value each trait takes the fun out. I already pointed out why my choice isn't available because of them so the topic in general changes. It's not "who's the strongest?" it's "who's the strongest within the rules we(Kage432) set?" 

@Durp004- While what you say is true, that he had virtually the only say in the rules, I analyzed and nitpicked on the possible limitations that said rules could imply on the debate; I found none.
The rules are there to weed out overused arguments, and to encourage responses like what you have brought forth.
As for Burning Godzilla, none of that really falls into PIS. One could look at it that way, but on a grander scale, one could also see how it doesn't, and make an argument for why it doesn't.
The same can be applied to all aspects of Godzilla's various incarnations. You see something that falls under the rules? Well, time to find a reason it doesn't.

See what I mean?

@DURPOO4 - Well I'm sorry for suggesting what rules DEVIANTEIST should use, except I'm not. All of the rules being used here apply to every Godzilla. Silly in-universe mechanics aside, all of Godzilla's incarnations have appliable feats to use in this thread, even Burning Godzilla. Do you frequent Versus threads, because if you did you'd notice that the most organized of them apply these methods to govern their debates and prevent as DEVIANTEIST already mentioned, overused arguments. Yes, I'm rooting for Godzilla FW. Does that mean I would compromise my own integrity and formulate thread rules to better support my arguments? No, and the simple fact that you would imply that I would is extremly disrespectful to me as I assisted DEVIANTEIST with the sole intention of applying a format in which only FACTS could be used in the hopes that it would weed out some of the members on this site who are prone to arguing with no facts and a lot of points founded on nothing.

Is it a fact that FW Godzilla is the strongest? Beats me, but I sided with him not out of personal preference, my favorite G is 2000, but I sided with him because when you look at the FACTS - what remains when you've taken away all the in-universe mechanics that can't be applied here or elsewhere and you start to actually calculate speed, strength, and durability, they start to become feats and to me FW Godzilla just comes out on top. But the process is simple math. Feats that do not fall under PIS, CIS, or the no limits fallacy are the most valid. Godzilla having the strength to toss around Kaiju is a CONSISTANT showing, both in FW and in older films, its just taken to its greatest degree in FW, and thus it becomes one of his better physical strength showings. Kumonga being dumber, weaker, or OOC (out of character) does not change the fact that he got his ass thrown far over the visable horizon. Its not PIS, or CIS, its a calculation on the strength one would need to throw a Kaiju that far to begin with, its things like that and then comparing them to the calculations of the opponent's feats, do you understand?

Examine Burning Godzilla. How durable must he be to shrug off continuous attacks from micro oxygen destroyers, an attack that was stated to be able to pierce all metals, and how does that stack against FW Godzilla's durability feats? How powerful must Burning Godzilla's regen be to be able to near instantly heal wounds caused from Destroyah's Horn Katana, a weapon capable of easily cleaving through G's nigh invulnerable hide, something only very few of his opponents could accomplish? How does that stack against FW Godzilla being able to withstand an impact event without so much as a visable scratch? I would gladly debate any actual feats you bring up for the character. I can't find them for you, thats not my job, its yours. I'll just say he has some out there lol, but I'll leave it up to you to find them ;] Though I might've dropped a few hints...

@Kage432- And that is why you inspired me to make this thread.