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Is Godzilla an Avenger?

Kage432

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After thinking long and hard on anything I might have missed regarding whats confirmed to be in the new film I suddenly realized something about Godzilla's life cycle. The Godzilla we see in the movie is not the first of his kind, he was born from what I can only assume is a now deceased Godzilla, right? So just like past Godzilla movies featuring the king and Jr. are we dealing with Gareth Edwards version of Godzilla Jr. now mature? If so, suddenly the idea of Godzilla actively seeking out the Muto makes sense. Maybe he's hellbent on killing them. Think about it. In the animal kingdom natural predators do attempt to kill their prey and the prey, if capable will defend themselves, but I doubt Godzilla or the Muto were any different from that. If they came into contact with each other a battle would no doubt ensue, but a part from that I don't think they actively saught each other out regularly. Now I could be completely wrong about this but I just have this feeling, from what I've seen in the WC footage, interviews, and past films if Godzilla's life cycle is the same as his Japanese predecessors, that the king is out for revenge for what happened to his parent. So what do you all think? Is Godzilla an avenger, or am I getting too hyped thinking about this damn movie!? 

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And i agree with the elephant thing though. I do not see with this godzilla though. As with their "ancient foes", iy seems they were the cats and dogs of that period. And they do not emotionally hate each other.

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@COCKZILLA - Hey, if you're right than you're right. Everything you said could easily be true, but we won't know until we know. I just hope Godzilla has character like the older versions, that way he can be just as intelligent but equally terrifying.

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When did I ever say Godzilla couldnt have emotion? I said he couldnt be vengeful. If I were to put a storm or a hurricane or an earthquake in a metaphorical piece, what characteristics would you give it (hint: angry ones)? Being vengeful and angry are two incredibly different things. Many animals have the ability to be angry yet do not have the capability to be vengeful. You're saying he can be vengeful, im saying he cannot be.

And I dont think you understand. Godzilla isnt like "oop, time to restore the balance! Those humans have had it coming!!!!!" He awakens because the MUTOs have awakened. He doesn't know that we have awoken them, nor does he care. He just cares about eliminating his threat. He will restore the balance unknowingly by accomplishing what he needs to finish. Godzilla is a metaphor for nature that still to this day is able to defy us by leaps and bounds no matter how much we try to keep it at bay. Try stopping an earthquake, try plugging up a volcano, try blocking a tsunami. The volcano doesn't know its buring a city, the earthquake doesnt know it's turning a city to rubble, the tsunami doesnt know it's engulfing a city. They just do. Can Godzilla be angry because his foe is among him once again? Yes. He IS angry. VERY angry. Thats the animal in him. Not the metaphor. But will he be vengeful? Not in the slightest.

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@GTBETTA35 - I like you're conviction, I do, but I think I JUST stated that it is impossible for creatures of basic intellect to feel anger. That is not my opinion, that is scientific fact. If you want to agrue with that than you are talking to the wrong person. "He will restore the balance unknowingly by accomplishing what he needs to finish." Does Godzilla have something to "finish" GTBETTA? That sounds an awful lot like one's sense of responsibility, another trait unattainable to creatures of lower intelligence. Now if you want to believe that Godzilla can feel anger than by default you also agree that he is now pivy to a complex train of thought now host to a plethora of emotions, and yes, desire. Feel free to take that back if you like by the way, for Godzilla cannot possess higher level emotions like anger but be cut off from everything else that would come with being that intelligent in the first place. Anger requires an emotional component that creatures of basic intelligence lack, so in order to be angry you must also be beyond basic intelligence and thus, beyond basic instinct.

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Higher thought-processes go hand-in-hand with more complex emotions. The more complex a creature's brain physiology is, the more maleable and mutable its emotional range. Ergo if Godzilla is a creature with an advanced neural anatomy he is going to feel emotions like hate, sadness, and vengeance. These are extremely complicated and subtle emotional responses that stem directly from higher thought process. It's a factual matter of brain chemistry. :)
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@SOMETHING REAL - I was begining to wonder when my wing-man would return, or wing-girl in this case lol :) But yes, that is, more or less, the fact of the matter put together in a well phrased nutshell my lady. What took you?

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HAGE432 - Traffic. I've been out to a few stores getting things ready for a party i'm hosting. Regardless, you've my apologies for the tardiness. I leave for a few hours and the whole post turns into a bloody warzone! :)
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@SOMETHING REAL -  No worries lol. I've been holding down the fort.

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KAGE432 - You've done well. Let's see how much more fire these old walls can withstand! :)
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@SOMETHING REAL - Bring it it on thread! 

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KAGE432 - They may take our lives, but they'll never take OUR OPINIONS!
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@SOMETHING REAL - LMAO. YES. That comment was too good :)

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Haha, the responses to this topic reminded me of Godzilla in the Marvel comics....

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my head hurts from this. KAGE432- My opinion is that he isnt out to avenge his parent(s). I think it is just instinct. Destroy the enemy before they destroy you. Godzilla may be capable of vengence, i dont know, i havent seen the movie but i just think its instinct.

 

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ZILLAFORLIFE - Until we see the film, your theory is as valid as anyone else's. The fact that you're willing to listen to and consider those of others is extremely mature and considerate of you. :)
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@ZILLAFORLIFE - Don't hurt yourself. We need that brain intact for future threads ;)

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I would take your argument seriously if we weren't talking about a 350 foot, atomic ray breathing dinosaur who happens to stand the test of time. You want to throw scientific facts around Godzilla lol. I study animal behavior for a living. What You're saying is right on, but I don't think you understand that you simply cannot apply these rules to a being such as Godzilla. He is both complex and simple at the same time.

By 'finish' I literally mean finishing off his enemy, not a mission he was morally sent out on.

You're saying Godzilla cannot posses complex emotions yet you're willing to theorize that he acts out of vengance. 

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@GTBETTA35 - Um, what? When did I ever say he can't feel complex emotions? That was you're claim, not mine. Reread the post. And I would take your response seriously if it wasn't loaded with ignorance. Godzilla is a sci fi monster but science fiction itself commonly uses imaginitive elements that are largely possible within scientifically established or scientifically postulated physical laws. What that means for you're argument GTBETTA is that this 350 foot atomic ray breathing dinosaur is still a dinosaur and will follow the logic that makes sense in the universe that Gareth has created that he HIMSELF has said will be realistic and grounded. Why else give Godzilla gills? Why give him webbed hands? Why try and make a story that makes sense in a fictional universe? Well, its because sci fi does not auto-translate into nothing here should be taken seriously.

I'm a writer and I too have built my own universe from the ground up but guess what? It still follows rules and logic so that it makes sense to my auidence or else they wouldn't even buy that it works in my established universe. If even that explanation escapes you then we're finished here. I've already spent more time explaining simple knowledge to you than I should have.

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