Is Godzilla an Avenger?

You're welcome, Kage432! :) Keep up the discussion!  Don't let goobers like Cockzilla (I feel wrong just typing that name) bring down a perfectly valid hypothesis.  Part of the fun of being pumped for a movie is speculating on areas where the answers remain a mystery.  Bring it on!

You're welcome, Kage432! :) Keep up the discussion!  Don't let goobers like Cockzilla (I feel wrong just typing that name) bring down a perfectly valid hypothesis.  Part of the fun of being pumped for a movie is speculating on areas where the answers remain a mystery.  Bring it on!

You're welcome, Kage432! :) Keep up the discussion!  Don't let goobers like Cockzilla (I feel wrong just typing that name) bring down a perfectly valid hypothesis.  Part of the fun of being pumped for a movie is speculating on areas where the answers remain a mystery.  Bring it on!

You're welcome, Kage432! :) Keep up the discussion!  Don't let goobers like Cockzilla (I feel wrong just typing that name) bring down a perfectly valid hypothesis.  Part of the fun of being pumped for a movie is speculating on areas where the answers remain a mystery.  Bring it on!

You're welcome, Kage432! :) Keep up the discussion!  Don't let goobers like Cockzilla (I feel wrong just typing that name) bring down a perfectly valid hypothesis.  Part of the fun of being pumped for a movie is speculating on areas where the answers remain a mystery.  Bring it on!

You're welcome, Kage432! :) Keep up the discussion!  Don't let goobers like Cockzilla (I feel wrong just typing that name) bring down a perfectly valid hypothesis.  Part of the fun of being pumped for a movie is speculating on areas where the answers remain a mystery.  Bring it on!

Bummer, my first multiple post oopsie. :P

To be honest, I'm going to have to say that it's just natural instinct for Godzilla to have hatred for MUTOs.

Although it would be interesting if he was trying to avenge passed relatives, I really don't see it happening.

@GTBETTA35 - Well for starters allow me to address the points you made that are wrong. First of all, Gareth did say Godzilla is a force of nature, he did, but comparing him to an earthquake, or a volcano is nothing more than hyperbole. Do earthquakes walk? Do volcanoes have children? Can a tsunami bleed? Of course not. Secondly, being rivals or foes in no way suggests that you constantly hunt each other to the edge of extinction. The actual definition of foe is simpy an opponent or enemy, that is all, everything that happens within that relationship is not tethered to the title. It doesn't mean they are always looking to find each other and end things, show me on the box where it says that they do and I'll admit to being wrong. If you cannot provide a source with proof then there is nothing further to discuss on the matter. And as for Godzilla wanting to be left alone, doesn't that better serve to conflict with your earlier statement about them actively hunting each other?

@DANZILLA93 - Don't worry, It got me once or twice as well :) 

Godzilla wants to be left alone and live out his days in isolation. Gareth and Max say this, but because we woke the MUTOs up, he has to restore balance, because they act as a threat to Godzilla, and we have to pay the price for our arrogance. That is it. I don't need to dwell into this incredibly silly claim that he's trying to avenge anything. Not only does the packaging say they're ancient foes (who dont just fight when they cross paths, what kind of silly stuff is that? They've obviously hunted eachother or else the story would be pointless. Who wants to see a movie where Godzilla fights 'that guy he runs into from time to time'?) But it also says he awakens from his solitary slumber simply to end the threat that has awoken.

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@GTBETTA35 - "Until a threat to his survival from an ancient foe forces him to appear." Thanks for that bit of information, now allow me to explain it to you. For Godzilla to be a creature of PURE INSTINCT he would not be allowed the ability to experience anger, only instincts that ensure his survival which translate into aggression, correct? That is what is defined as instinct at its basis, and its what animals are at their core. FROGNATION intiated a rather compelling thread that explored whether or not Godzilla could be capable of emotions such as anger. In that thread many interesting points were made but one fact remained certain, only beings of higher intelligence could experience complex emotions like anger, and Godzilla comes from stories upon stories that explore those emotions and intellectual abilities being accessible unto him. Heres the link if you want more details:http://www.godzilla-movies.com/community/forums/topic/33765

Now then, that being said and from what you've already stated, Godzilla should be incapable of anger or wanting to avenge anything, its slly right? Well, you wanna know what else is silly? Asserting that claim while attempting to argue that Godzilla wants to go out of his way, out of the safety of the ocean to confront two monsters that could potentially overwhelm him - doing all that because they pose a threat to his survival. But doesn't that seem rather odd for an animal, to remove himself from safety and reveal himself to the enemy thus giving up his advantage just to have a brawl? And taking in account that you believe him to be a paragon of balance, well that further complicates his basic instinct because now you are implying that Godzilla has some sense of right or wrong, some sense of justice, restoring balance is something only a being with those understandings can accomplish. Why else would he restore balance? Because its instinct to stand against evil and repel humanity's arrogance? What sense does that make? Thats not what creatures with lower intellegence spend time doing. Thats an act of a creature of higher intelligence, a creature capable of feeling complex emotions like anger, hate, fear, and the desire to avenge. No animal would ever put itself in harms way for the sake of anything beyond its own survival or the survial of its offspring, and certainly not to start a fight with a monster that is unaware of its presense, giving up the element of surprise and potentially endangering itself. That isn't instinct and it never will be.

yeah he probably has emotional qualities but I'm not seeing the vengeance thing. 

@JUNKERDE - Too true, but at the moment we don't know for certain what Godzilla's full mental capacity is in this film, so all we have to work with are present facts and speculation based off of said facts. GTBETTA35 seems to believe that Godzilla can't experience a desire to avenge the fallen but he believes Godzilla to be a herald of balance, or something meant to restore order if you will. I just explained to him that you can't have one part of the coin and deny the other. If Godzilla's purpose trully is to restore order, he'll have to undertand the basics of right and wrong, or else why would he want to do such a thing? The only other alternative is that nature made him do it and we both know where that discussion will go...

At the end of it all, we can't say if he can or can't experience these emotions and desires and as such, I would appreciate it if memebers, not you, would refrain from acting like its already confirmed that he can't.

Oh cmon, animals also get angry. But do they get the "I will avenge my people" emotion. It's more "f*ck off and die". 

And ts you can add "I could've used paragraphs so it wouldn't be an eyesore reading this" on the title when you do rename it.

Im just fuelling discussion. Saying your opinion amd getting your jimmies rustled when someone disagrees makes it seem that YOU think that your opinion is final lol.

@COCKZILLA - Impossible. It has already been scientifically proven that animals of basic intellect do not feel anger. They can be aggressive, but anger and aggression are not one and the same.

As for that last bit you mentioned, I don't even. I don't.

As far as Godzilla movies go, the revenge angle has precedent: Godzilla vs. Destoroyah shows that Godzilla takes things personally when family gets harmed.  It also has precedent in the real life animal world: mother elephants are known to go on violent rampages against human villages when their calves get killed by hunters.

As for the earlier misinterpretation of the title...can't you imagine how awesome it would have been if Godzilla actually joined forces with Iron Man, the Hulk and Captain America to take down supervillains?!

@FREE5 - Agreed. And elephants are not animals of mere basic intellect. As for Godzilla being a member of the Avengers, I don't think they would ever need S.H.I.E.L.D. again lol.

I see, I was wrong about the anger part and stand corrected.

But then, by feeling only agression, then it takes out the vengeful part and acting aggressive by instinct am I correct? No "I shall avenge my giganic people" shit.

@COCKZILLA - Thanks for the response. It seems you can be reasoned with, and as such I strongly recommend you reread the last response I gave for GTBETTA35 because I don't feel like explaining it again lol.