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The Permian extinction wasn't the event that caused the Titans to go dormant, it was stated that early titans like Godzilla's species and the MUTO's species dated back to the Permian (not all of the titans originated during the Permian). The Permian extinction diminished the energy source on the planet's surface that some of the early titans fed on, which led some to go deeper underground (the Hollow Earth) to be closer to that energy source. The end credits of King of the Monsters mentions that the titans went dormant closer to the modern age. It states that most of the titans went dormant and stopped coexisting with humanity during the ice age (so around 115,000 to 10,000 years ago). It was never stated that humans in the MonsterVerse lived during the Permian or prior to the late Cenozoic, the credits of KOTM state that there was a mysterious advanced civilization that coexisted with the titans and predated some of the oldest known civilizations, existing before the ice age, and before the titans went into hibernation, but the civilization was destroyed when the Titans waged war on humanity and themselves. The remnants of humanity pretty much had to start over without the resources that they had before, resulting in more primitive civilizations (the ones from the Paleolithic and Neolithic). Due to the decrease of Titan activity, stories that were passed down from the survivors were eventually viewed as myths. It was also hinted that Godzilla and the other titans would occasionally come to the surface throughout history (from 20,000 to modern day) and sightings of them fueled the legends about them. Specifically, the battle between Dagon and MUTO Prime happened during the 11th Century BCE (around 1100 to 1000 years ago) and Titanus Scylla inspired the "Scylla" mythology of Ancient Greece, meaning she was active during that time period.
One problem i have with that comes from the Kotm novelization, in which the facility that Mokele Mbembe in housed in, in which human civilization is found going much farther back then possible. Also how about Behemoth?
Plus there is the Atlantis ruins in KoTM. Honestly the time line makes no sense, and mainly because of Godzilla Awakening. Because its already been established that in the MV humans and maybe even others went farther back then they should have according to paleontology. And another thing, is the permian extincrion is set as the time titans went dormant but we know humans and titans have interacted, and we havent really had much to say that titans woke up a bunch of times.
Ive stopped trying to understand the timeline or even where the titans came from, just accepted it as this thing that is fun and doesnt make sense.
Singular Point is the godzilla i watch went i want to think about science
Yeah I don't really care what they are they're cool either way.
They couldn't really be true mammals though, because, like Godzilla's species, they were stated to be around during the Permian (in the MonsterVerse timeline), before true mammals existed, so at most they would be Therapsids (which wouldn't explain the more insectoid traits).
Their designs may have some mammalian influence, but they deviate a lot from mammals, with their insect-like life cycle and appearance, that I don't think they could really be classified as mammals. (I know that using actual biology and evolution to classify a fictional giant monster is kind of pointless, but still.)
I guess they could be classified as a fictional, unknown type of multi-limbed "insect-like" vertebrate and that the group they evolved from was lost to time.
Its not about actual evolutionary facts because pretty much all of that is out the window. His design philosophy was to take a mammal and make it look as far from one as possible.
Hes alreafy said what he designed, his comments are very open ended sounding, but ill side with the artist
So, narrowing it down, if they're Chordates, they would possibly be an unknown type of animal that branched off around here:
Their insectoid traits could be a result of convergent evolution and possible mutations.
Thats not my piont, its that the designer says theyre mammals, then they are mammals
I feel like Manda wouldn't show up in the MonsterVerse, as his design pretty much resembles a typical sea serpent or eastern dragon, so paying Toho for the rights to use him probably wouldn't be worth it. Plus we already have Tiamat, who fills in that role.
I hope not. While visually GvK was a fun movie and had good action, the story and characters were rushed and butchered because he cut way too much. Also, Son of Kong was a placeholder name. I doubt they would really make a son of Kong movie this early.
They also wouldn't be Tetrapods (which mammals are), as Tetrapods have (or their ancestors had) four limbs. The MUTOs have eight limbs (with two of the male's limbs forming wings).
I think legendary should make a parallel movie of both godzilla and kong........ For godzilla, this time the antagonist should be MANDA..... Manda could prove to be the best monster villain in monsterverse
Flesh and bone and muscles wouldn't immediately classify them as mammals, as birds, reptiles, amphibians, and most fish have those traits as well. That description would mean that they're a Chordate of some sort (one that strangely exhibits insectoid traits).
The main traits of mammals are that they're warm-blooded, most are born alive (with the exception of monotremes), and the young are fed milk produced by the mother's mammary glands, which aren't traits exhibited by the MUTOs.
Guillaume Rocheron was quoted in Godzilla: The Art of Destruction as saying that he "would classify [the MUTOs] as mammals because they have flesh and bone and muscles."
Its in the art book
Yeah I still think they are just really big parasites, the movie even said they are so I have no idea how they could be mammals.
Apparently the idea of them being mammals comes from statements from Gareth Edwards and other people involved with the film, however their statements mentioned that certain attributes of the MUTOs (like their movements) were based on mammals, not that they were mammals. So as of now the MUTOs technically don't have an official classification.
My best guess is that the MUTOs are sort of there own thing, they don't fall in to any known classification and are instead an unknown type of ancient creature that falls in between vertebrates and invertebrates, which is why they share traits from both (such as having an internal skeleton, a possible exoskeleton, and insectoid traits).
Sorry that posted twice the website glitched or something
Wait WHAT how are they mammals?!?
I think that the MUTOs would win, they work together well and have cool abilities.
Its actually been confirmed theyre mammals
It's more of a giant parasite, or germ, so neither.
Oh, yeah I didn't know that. I have spent about $90 on it. Also, this game was shut down because Adobe Flash, but Godzilla Daikaiju Battle Royale was really fun.
This is cool. Either way I'm happy if Godzilla and Kong content continue coming out.
Was never a fan of Godzilla personally i only liked some of the movies. I liked Ghidorah better.
I was honestly hoping for a new director, but fine. Hopefully Wingard will alter the tone a bit; make it slightly more serious and less goofy.
Also, it's interesting that they're going with the Son of Kong rather than going for the more obvious Son of Godzilla route (though, technically Kong had a "son" first). It makes sense considering that they've established Kong being lonely, Kong caring for Jia and viewing her as a family member, and the fact that they heavily hinted at the idea of there being other kongs in the Hollow Earth. Plus I can't really see the MonsterVerse Godzilla being a dad...
Just because Godzilla won't be in this particular film doesn't mean that he won't show up in any future MonsterVerse movies.
Honestly I'm not mad. Im glad to see MV continue and toho take back the reigns, and we dont even lose MV goji!
This is honestly better than what i would have predicted before.
This is making way too much sense. Legendary puts Godzilla on TV, to not conflict with Yamazaki's rumored Godzilla film. Meanwhile the Monsterverse film series continues, ala, Kong, which is a more proven and lucrative property for them anyway.
It was never literally going to be Godzilla vs. Kong 2.
Here are all the cities destroyed by Godzilla, https://www.inverse.com/article/30488-godzilla-every-city-kaiju-attack-tokyo-new-york-ghidora-king-kong
We should have Godzilla attack New Orleans, that will be different
Have we seen Godzilla go somewhere in Hokkaido yet?
Yep, the SkullCrawlers were based on this "little guy".
Interestingly, in the scene that it was was briefly shown in featured it crawling out of a pit, similar to the SkullCrawlers.
Also the Skull Crawler thing is kind of funny :-)
Yeah I especially like the Mutos and Skull Crawlers. They both make up for lack of strength with numbers. I also like that they are a species, not the typical only one or last of their kind. We really need to see more of these original monsters.
I like the MUTOs, I feel like the fandom doesn't give them enough love mainly because they aren't as iconic or cool as some of Godzilla's classic enemies and because they have some similarities to the Cloverfield monster (although aside from the arms the designs are pretty different), but I feel like they're unique enough that they should get more attention.
I like the SkullCrawlers mainly because they're a reference to the two-legged lizard that briefly showed up in the original 1933 King Kong. The fact that they took such an obscure creature that only showed up in the original film for a couple seconds and made it the main enemy for Kong is kind of hilarious.
And I like Behemoth, mainly because I've had a lifelong obsession with prehistoric animals and I love mammoths, so for me seeing a monster that's a mix between a mammoth and a giant ground sloth was really cool.
That's cool. I don't remember what book exactly, but when I was in 1st grade there was on about all the characters on monster island
That is 100% not Gamera, but Gamera in the monsterverse would be insanely cool
