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Even though it is not a monster, I would like to see a Godzilla v Marvel universe like they did in the Marvel comics #1-24 in 2006. The avengers, spiderman, agents of shield... 

Jet Jaguar, just so we can have the remix of his song.

Xenotaris I am perfectly fine with Mechagodzilla being an alien construct or being made by Monarch just not the US Military.

Remember how those huge humane riot control lasers worked out back in 2004ish? Yes, that was military. I could easily imagine the general military experimenting on things like that. Add some DARPA to the mix and there are lots of interesting things being developed.

The whole point of mechagodzilla is just absurd.

Oh come on. It is no more absurd than Mothra in space. It is cool and fun! Besides, there is more actual and applicable science to Mecha Godzilla than most other creatures:

Atlus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRj34o4hN4I

Tiamatzilla,
Sounds like you completely missed the narrative point of the oxygen destroyer.

@kaijuworld 

Godzilla is not a lizard damn it! That was Zilla!

I am perfectly fine with Mechagodzilla being an alien construct or being made by Monarch just not the US Military.

I was kinda hoping for some new footage but oh well. Still though, this is going to be great in IMAX.

The oxygen destroyer is one of the main problems I have had with the Godzilla franchise in the past. I don't believe it could harm Godzilla. I hope they hit the monsters with the oxygen destroyer and megaton nukes and everything fails to harm the titans, they survive without a scratch. A great part of the Godzilla formula is watching fake and real weapons proven futile against him as he destroys buildings. I have written off any Godzilla Ghidorah and Rodan past deaths or wounds in my book and I hope the oxygen destroyer doesn't do shit but make Destroyah for Godzilla and King Kong to team up and fight. Seeing those two Kaiju kings kill Destroyah would be the best ending ever in 2020. Imagine Ghidorah down to battle Destroyah if in KOTM Ghidorah submitted to Godzilla to later return to help Godzilla and King Kong's team and kick Destroyah's ass!

As much as I'd personally want Mechagodzilla myself, the idea sounds a bit too much for the Monsterverse right now.

We didn't start with the absurdity for absurdity's sake, so we can't just be putting it in there without careful thought and planning.

That's why I think King Ghidorah's addition is so important: he's the first to test the waters of a different kind of absurdity. Make no mistake, giant monsters, Hollow Earth Theory, etc., are all absurd as a rule, but the presentation of certain elements has normalized certain facets of the absurdity to suspend disbelief.

So, with the golden emperor, he has a bit of the Monsterverse's current execution mixed with some extra absurdity; once he's been properly ingrained, things can be branched out. For this reason, I think it'd be best to introduce something like Hedorah or Destroyah as swarming creatures that form larger collectives; the former can even come from space like his original incarnation, to play up the weirdness of space like King Ghidorah.

I respect that you don't like Mechagodzilla, but how is the absurd within the context of the genre? this genre is made around weird and strange ideas (a lizard with atomic breath, a 3 headed dragon from space, a giant moth seen as a god, etc.).

If you think stuff like Mechagodzilla is (in your eyes) absurd, then I think you are just in the wrong genre.

"I'm just not a fan of Mechagodzilla, I think he is absurd with the context of the genre."

But Hollow Earth Theory is just fine. Got it. Check.

I'm just not a fan of Mechagodzilla, I think he is absurd with the context of the genre. I mean if you want a mechagodzila, fine just don't have the US Military make him, because that will break my willingness of suspension of disbelief.

My parents were both Marines.

You're welcome, @Mitesh D.

Probably spacegodzilla as he is Godzilla second greatest enemy and deserves a second chance.

In all seriousness, I do see the story problems with coming up with convincing ways to make a MechaGodzilla--The Heisei version was the most difficult to buy. The Millennium version had to use much of its run time to establish the exposition of bio-clones and the need for using skeletons--But it still worked.

MechaGodzilla is absurd, but the entire genre is absurd. It was built on absurdity and if you can't embrace that, there's an exit for you somewhere. It all comes down to the correct writers. Just because MechaGodzilla is hard to legitimize, doesn't mean it can't or shouldn't be done. If Toho can get away with it, so can Legendary with the right people.

The whole point of mechagodzilla is just absurd.

And the hollow earth theory, a moth God, 3 headed dragon, and volcano Pterosaur, aren't? How about a lost island surrounded by perpetual storms full of strange creatures? If you're in the ride so far and Mechagodzilla takes it over the edge you might need to re-evaluate things

Wow !!! that was quite an informative session you guys, I couldn't have possibly imagined a response like this...thisss was really nice. 

Thanks to @G. H. (Gman) , @MotherStarViras,  @MinecraftDinoKaiju ,@The Legend of Brian , for this amazing discussion. 

1950's: Godzilla 1954

1960's: Destroy all Monsters

1970's: Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla

1980's: Godzilla vs Biollante

1990's: Godzilla vs Destroyah

2000's: Godzilla vs Megaguirus

2010's: Godzilla 2014

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"The whole point of mechagodzilla is just absurd."

Which is why it's awesome.

"Why the hell would the Us Military build a robot around freaking bones!"

It was explained why it was crucial to use the bones in the film. Snap to attention.

"If Drones fail, the US Military would probably either develop a MOAB pacifically for Godzilla or build a huge ass laser defense canon to vaporize Godzilla. If all that fails, the US Military would build an underground stronghold."

Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how boring all of that is. Realism = boring.

This is the Godzilla series, not Interstellar. Get over it.

The whole point of mechagodzilla is just absurd. Why the hell would the Us Military build a robot around freaking bones! That is more of a japanese thing because they worship godzilla.

Alright, to build a mechagodzilla you would need an insane amount of metal to construct everything on and inside of it, metal frame, armor plating, gears, hydraulics, the nuclear casing for the reactors, etc. The Bones would only add unnecessary weight. I mean its the reason why we don't use ankylosaurus skeletons to build our M1 Abrams.

Also again I must reiterate the US Military isn't going to spend a shit ton of money on a damn Mechagodzilla, especially if we know mechagodzilla have a terrible track record as being failures. Drones are more efficient, we know Godzilla's weak spot is his gills, so they would target his gills.

If Drones fail, the US Military would probably either develop a MOAB pacifically for Godzilla or build a huge ass laser defense canon to vaporize Godzilla. If all that fails, the US Military would build an underground stronghold.

The only way that mechagodzilla would work, is if it was an alien construction.

Also your bones don't lift you, your muscles do because bone without muscles are brittle, bone on bone tend to shatter without the between softer tissue. Without the cartilage between the joints, your bones will crack and eventually break that is why people with no cartilage or damaged cartilage need knee, elbow, or hips replacements.

Also the US Military if they ever for some reason build a mechagodzilla, it be constructed a fraction of Godzilla's size. Because that is how the US military build their defense platforms. Also the US Military would definitely go for a more humanoid robot design like the Evangelions, Mobile Suits, or the Jeagers. These are far more adaptable weapon platforms than a using a dinosaur design.

True Gman, though it'll still pull in good numbers if Black Panther and Infinity War are anything to go by. 

I agree Aladdin will be the biggest threat, though with the controversy with the casting of Naomi Scott as Jasmin and the apparent "darkening" of extras, I wouldn't be surprised if it brings in less than say Beauty and the Beast. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if it pulls in the same numbers or better. 

I'm going to guess KotM will do better than say PR: Uprising, but unfortunately, I don't think it'll do as well domestically as 2014 did. 

This pic looks awesome, and so does the merchandise. Nice.

I know what that is. Isn't that the one of the games Monster Island Buddies (MIB) did a livestream on?

 @MinecraftDinoKaiju I don't really see the movies being gradually worse if they continue, Just "That one" that will bomb because giant monster movies will reach their fatigue factor with western audiences.

"Why would humanity especially the US military waste a shit ton of time, money, and resources to make a robot that looks just like godzilla?"

Because it's awesome and it's part of the genre. Deal with it or get out.

To be fair, according to IMAX reports, Avengers 4 is moving up into April. So it will be even further removed from Godzilla. I'm far more concerned about Aladdin.

@Xenotaris

yeah, I didn't really state that the best way possible. what I was trying to say was that any monster (with some real science) can fit in the monsterverse. as you know I made a series based around this and am planning on bringing it back. I am going to try and redo Mechagodzilla after hearing others reactions. I already have some reasons WHY the military would make Mechagodzilla.

1. the humans have no way of protecting themselves. as stated in the trailer of king of the monsters "we are the infection and earth has sent a cure". they need something to fight back. this could also go with your drone idea, but this is where point 2 comes in.

2.  even though that would be a good idea on paper, how are they going to know where a certain monsters' weak spot is. with these kinds of situations, time matters a lot. they need to fight with the 1 thing that is everything weakness and that is being weaker than your opponent. with a giant robot, they can work with an overall stronger force to punch these monsters back or kill them. and hey, maybe you can build drones into the robot for when they do find its weakness. the question now is why it looks like Godzilla, but this is where point 3 comes in.

3. the Kiryu saga explained it the best in my opinion. by using a Godzilla skeleton as the frame of Mechagodzilla. with the point of force being the only way to damage these monsters, the mech must be mobile and agile. this could only be done with human/Godzilla like limbs (especially the tail). put 1 and 2 together and you have a defense mechanism. maybe the monsterverses Godzilla has a skeleton so strong that it can hold tons and tons of weight. this could be the only way they can make a mech as heavy and big as the monsters.

btw, about it costing a lot of money and resources. well, I am not a math expert, but I think 1 giant metal robot would cost less than repairing a destroyed city which with Mechagodzilla could be prevented altogether.

Personally, think these points are enough explanation for why the military would build Mechagodzilla, but that is not up to me. maybe you have some opinions on these possible reasons. but after all the REAL question of this topic is do you want or would you like to see Mechagodzilla in the monsterverse?

I just hope they don't include mechagodzilla, unless its of alien origin.

@KaijuWorld Ummm sci-fi doesn't equal to fantasy! remember there is science in the fiction and Legendary Godzilla's design was ment to be more "realistic" than Toho's design, hence why Legendary Godzilla has sauropod feet rather than fat theropod feet, also Godzilla is not a lizard, he is a dinosauromorph which are Archosaurs. Lizards are lepidosaurs; while both archosaurs and lepidosaurs are reptiles, they are two different clades of reptile. Its like the difference between placental mammals and marsupial mammals, but no one confuses an elephant with a kangaroo.

Mechagodzilla just doesn't make sense, not because its "unrealistic", but because its more of a why? Why would humanity especially the US military waste a shit ton of time, money, and resources to make a robot that looks just like godzilla? When you can make smaller and cheaper drones that can mosquito their way up to godzilla and strike his more vulnerable parts?

As enthusiastic as I am, it's going to take a lot of hoop jumping to go beyond Godzilla vs. Kong. KotM has to go up against Avengers 4, sure it'll be a month old by then, but it's the follow-up to possibly the biggest Marvel movie ever. Then Disney still has the Aladdin remake scheduled for a week before and that 90's nostalgia will put butts in seats regardless of quality.

Now I'm certainly more confident with the trailer being out and the reaction from more general audiences being overwhelmingly positive to it. It'll be a wait and see type of deal. KotM can crush it, or be a total flop. I think Godzilla vs. Kong will do well regardless on just the fact it's Godzilla "fighting" King Kong.

No, I did some research and the game I was talking about was called ”city shrouded in shadows”. If you google it you will now what I mean.

"There is a strong possibility that the Monsterverse will continue until the money stops."

In other words, what I would like to call "the Destroy All Monsters [D.A.M.] effect", in which they make so much money with GKOTM & GvK that they make more that are worse until no more movies. Right?

Hey, KaijuWorld. Are you sure you don't mean the game "Godzilla Daikaiju Battle Royale"?

Either Mecha-Godzilla, or Anguirus.

Gotta be Anguirus for me. I think he would fit really well.

I think if these next two entries are overwhelming box office home runs, I think there will be more films. Now touching on what Gman said, I think Toho will renegotiate a higher fee, But if these movies are done right that fee will pay for itself. Simply put, If these next movies do well, There is a strong possibility that the Monsterverse will continue until the money stops.

It depends on two factors:

1) How well Godzilla: King of the Monsters and Godzilla vs. Kong do at the box office. These films are being pumped out quite close to each other--If Godzilla: King of the Monsters fails, then it will be too late to back down from Godzilla vs. Kong because it will be in the middle of post-production by then. Both need to be definite successes and they likely need to make much more money than Godzilla '14 and Kong: Skull Island.

2) It's also up to Toho. The deal between Toho and Legendary expires in 2020--This is one reason why Legendary is in such a rush to shoot Godzilla vs. Kong and get it released.

The deal between Toho and Legendary dictates that two live action Godzilla movies can not be in production at the same time. That's why we haven't seen another live action movie out of Toho since Shin Godzilla. We know Toho wants to make their own Godzilla-verse, so they may not want to renegotiate their contract with Legendary.

If Toho does allow Legendary to continue making movies with Godzilla, Toho will likely raise the price--Especially if Godzilla: King of the Monsters and Godzilla vs. Kong do well. And even then, I bet the deal will be altered to where Toho gets to make the Godzilla movies they want to make.

This is what I thinking for Monster-Verse

1) Godzilla (2014)

2) Kong: Skull Island (2017)

3) Godzilla: King Of The Monsters (2018)

4) Godzilla vs. Kong (2020)

5) Godzilla: War Of The Monsters (2022)

6) Kong: Return To Skull Island (2023)

etc...

Creating your own monster would be awesome. Even though depending on the physics of the game it might be weird, like if you were to put King Ghiroah's neck(s) and head(s) on Mothra's body would that mean the monster is very top heavy lol? I would like to see a big story mode, maybe something like you play through each movie from '54 to Final Wars where you fight every monster (or just the army if there is only one monster).