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That's what we usually get in movies and shows, and it's a lot more realistic since we've seen real-life soldiers get emotional.
Yeah as someone who is from a military family, Ford behaves very military. You wouldn't want an emotional soldier/marine would you?
Madison's character arc is stellar but completely undermined by the writers failing to properly write an arc for Emma, a character that Madison was so heavily connected to.
As for KOTM if I were to describe it, overdone is not one of the ways I would. I think it’s very well paced, and the action sequences are great. But attempted character arcs aren’t done well enough, it’s mostly issues with exposition and dialogue. The Opening scene with Madison and Emma talking before seeing Mothra is stellar, and to me motivations were real and done well. But how they continued forward in the movie isn’t great. The underwater scene could have gotten rid of the dialogue about why Godzilla is flashing his lights display, because the audience should already be intimidated and you don’t have to tell them again. There’s a lot of useless dialogue I feel could be cut, but over the movie is still very enjoyable to watch.
as an actor (not professional but working to it), I will say. Acting comes with understanding the character which I talked about with for Ford, again his character choices make sense given the character.
Both 1954 and Shin were tragic. And Shin was about politics between two countries by placing them in that situation it wasn’t about Godzilla.
I honestly don't get the hate people sling at Godzilla 2014, its my favorite monsterverse film
I'd say KOTM had better acting (for two characters) than Ford, but most of the writing makes it feel overdone and wacky.
Godzilla'54 and Shin were exceptions because they were more original. Godzilla did a good job showing what could happen with nukes and atomics and Shin had a tragic Godzilla who tried to become a human but got killed.
Those stand out. But everything else is a more or less creature feature through and through.
And WB never tried to paint KOTM as a masterpiece nor GvK. Just as movies.
which for the last time, G14’ is a good movie. I don’t get the acting criticism. Ford is a soldier who has been conditioned to mask emotions. It’s not poor acting it’s intentional. It’s not a perfect movie. But it’s one of the things that solidified my love for the franchise
And The Gamera Hesei Trilgoy was a masterpiece.
I need to talk about Dume, maybe I’ll make a topic
“when monster movies have never been that ever.”
You realize that Godzilla 1954 was nominated for best picture in Japan
and Shin Godzilla Won best picture.
Falsehoods is actually a good way to describe how WB tried to paint G'14 and KOTM like big sci-fi masterpieces when monster movies have never been that ever.
Just saying.
SasquaDash,
"So if someone doesn't fully agree with your view point that means they're immediately wrong and 'conveniently perpetuating false hoods'?"
It's reads like this that blow comments like Sesheta's out of proportion. I'm asking where is your sources coming from in this particular instance, because there has indeed been a misread of it in the past. This isn't about disagreeing or agreeing with an opinion, SasquaDash, this is about making sure the facts we are basing such opinions on are correct.
Please leave personal accusations in my private messages. My invitation there still stands.
Home Alone 2021 coming to Disney+ soon!
I think underated kaiju need some international love
"I can't help but wonder which version of context you're using?"
I'm using the exact same translation as the one your using...
"conveniently perpetuated by a certain youtuber that left that little nugget out since he didn't like the trilogy"
So if someone doesn't fully agree with your view point that means they're immediately wrong and "conveniently perpetuating false hoods"? Is this the same way you've accused me of "conveniently targeting" you, because my opinions oppose yours and because I've called out hypocrisy in the past? Honestly, it seems like your "conveniently" spinning a narrative in an attempt to discredit those who don't agree with you.
Nostalgic does not equal good, which is what the MonsterVerse really relied on quite a bit. Also they bait you with big names like Bryan Cranston and Millie Bobby Brown. I think since Biollante hasn't been in any other movies it'd be a tad more original than relying on the most popular Toho IPs to cross paths with our hunky reptile boi Godzilla.
Fricking awesome
Fricking awesome
I liked it!
Pretty fun short.
I liked it!
Pretty fun short.
True, you didn't, though, "based on their own statements it seems like they went out of there way to disrespect the series as much as they could, rather than honoring it," comes close I suppose.
I'm also curious as to where you're getting your info from. While they most Sesheta most certainly implied confirmation of welcoming the criticism, and Shizuno admitted to not being a fan, the assertions of it being "too complicated" and that they were the reasons for the Godzilla Store (they never said that) sound sucpiciously like a Oricon and Gigazine translation that Matt Frank confirmed to be misconstrued, yet was conveniently perpetuated by a certain youtuber that left that little nugget out since he didn't like the trilogy. I can't help but wonder which version of context you're using?
As for the Monsterverse, good for you. I for one think it would've just been the same bland stuff Toho had been shelling out since 1991, save for two or three entries. It certainly feels like it now--Hollywood or not.
At no point did I say Sesheta and Shizuno were out to kill the franchise, I stated that they didn't really know what they were doing with the franchise and didn't really seem to care if they were getting the source material right, and, based on their own comments, they wanted to annoy and alienate the "traditionalists", because in their minds that meant they were doing something "right". Not to mention how they brushed off any criticism, accusing those who didn't like it of "not getting it" and stating that the story was "too complicated" for them, basically insinuating that they're to "dumb" to get their work, which is extremely insulting and disrespectful to the fanbase. Along with that they kept trying to claim that they were responsible for the franchise's success, claiming that the Godzilla Store could only be successful because of their work (Apparently they think that Godzilla merchandise didn't exist or matter before the Polygon Trilogy), which comes of as pretty narcissistic. I'm all for doing new things with the franchise, but going out of your way to alienate and disrespect your primary audience is not a good way of doing it.
As for the question if I would still like the Monsterverse if it were made by Toho and was a tokusatsu production. My answer is Yes, I would still like it.
sort of, i guess. a bit like Battra and Mothra. the kaiju is definitely a big good lol
SasquaDash,
I think had Gareth Edwards, Michael Dougherty or Adam Wingard said similar things (and Dougherty, to his credit has to fans on twitter) they would be creatives sticking to their guns. I've criticized their decisions for a great deal of creative reasons ranging from boring to flat out misunderstanding the material--Not unlike your assertion of the anime trilogy--But I have not criticized them sticking to those creative decisions or villifying them as non-fans. (Something Wingard may or may not have done against studio pressure, the background on that is still fuzzy though.) Inept talents? That's another story.
What you have proposed is that Sesheta and Shizuno are non-fans out to torpedo the franchise in comparison to Emmerich and Devlin. (And admittedly, their goal wasn't to torpedo it either.) I don't believe anyone got the job to do that, although Emmerich is certainly the closest given his comments for how much he disliked and insulted the series.
As for praising the Polygon trilogy for bringing up new ideas and throwing the Monsterverse under the bus for "doing the same", I disagree with the latter considerably. HinikunaGoji has it down pat. Again, I've wondered since 2019, would the Monsterverse be given a pass and be so beloved if it were a Toho, tokusatsu production framed shot-for-shot with Japanese actors and effects? I've posed this question to numerous people on various occasions and even on this forum I've been told, "no". It would just be another Heisei/Millennium-era, poorly told retread on space monster invasions (2019 King Ghidorah to Monster-X, Orga, SpaceGodzilla and... well... King Ghidorah), psuedo-military factions (Monarch to G-Force, G-Graspers, AMF, M-Force), fictional sci-fi vehicles (the Argo & HEAV to Super-X, Super-X II, Garuda, Super-X III, Griffon, AC-3 White Heron, Gotengo) and older themes that have been covered before in better movies--Something I won't bring into the conversation at this point as I see it only opening a can of worms.
The anime trilogy took on all new, existential themes never touched by the franchise and made a point to be different all around from kaiju concept to thematic ideas while still keeping the basics of their godlike heritage.
But I digress. The initial debate was whether or not Sesheta and Shizuno are non-fans out to kill the franchise, ala, G'98. There's just not enough there to show that.
reminds me of a kaiju i made who was genetically engineered to be basically the opposite of Rodan
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i'm not adding anything important to the convo-
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yes, it's supposed to be behind that mountain range/cloud thing
also Have a Nice Life is always a win
*looks at my "Eternal Worm" fanart* uh- couldn't be me
just kidding
i honestly don't care how big kaiju are, they can be 19 feet tall or 10000, i just think they're nifty
I blame hollywood producers (and even Toho producers) on why the MonsterVerse or any Godzilla related movie for not venturing outside the status quo, since Godzilla 1998 came out the producers had stopped wanting to be different. regardless of how the director feels about the franchise, Emmerich was chosen as director due to having experiences in disaster movies..so I've read in a time magazine about Godzilla movie history.
So ever since Godzilla 2014 had came out they tried to not experiment outside of what makes a "proper" Godzilla movie.
In order for the Monsterverse to continue, the studios needs to be allowed to experiment.
Ever since seeing the 2014 Godzilla, I was intrigued by it and began watching the showa, heisei, and millennium Godzilla films, and have become a big Godzilla fan ever since.
Several new ideas you have provided have already been done before, maybe not at the same scale, but still have been. For example GMK explored kaiju in human history and The Mothra Trilogy has also explored kaiju in prehistory.
Now no story will ever have completely new ideas but Monsterverse itself hasn’t felt as interesting after KOTM. I blame my interest loss in MV on COVID, but it feels very repetitive. It just feels like the Showa era over again. Which isn’t necessarily bad, but it’s not as fresh.
Yes I agree that reiwa does have an addiction to being new and different, to different successes. But back to the anime trilogy, the concepts have not been criticized, their execution has. No one criticized a 50,000 year old, super powerful goji, they criticized how he slow he walks. No one said “Eldritch lovecraftian ghidorah is bad”, but said “Noodle Ghidorah is dumb.”
As for singular point. I’m tired defending it, but I will say i love how when I watch it new things stand out to me.
I would disagree in saying that the Monsterverse hasn't done much in terms of new ideas. The Hollow Earth is definitely the most prominent of the new ideas, but there are a lot of other ideas that they've introduced or expanded on, such as the hierarchy of the titans and Godzilla being King of the Monsters. Sure there were hints of it in some of the older films like Godzilla leading the charge against Ghidorah in Destroy All Monsters and him giving Anguirus orders in Godzilla vs Gigan, but not to the extent that's been shown within the Monsterverse, with Godzilla and Ghidorah being in a constant power struggle, and the lower ranking titans being loyal to who ever wins. The Monsterverse even brought in more natural relationships with some of the titans, like the MUTOs being a parasitic species to Godzilla and the fact that some of the titans seem to be part of the natural order as opposed to being aberrant creatures that are just run around and destroy things. There are certain ideas that have been brought up that can be explored in the future like, the ancient Titan War and the mystery of the Hollow Earth energy (and how it relates to the titans themselves) Not to mention, how it introduced potential ideas that weren't seen in the older films such as the titans playing a role in Earth's natural history (seriously, how many dinosaurs did they accidentally squash?) along with the start of human civilization and how that ties into our culture and mythology (image a tribe of Neanderthals witnessing a titan battle and then depicting it in cave paintings and other forms of primitive art). The ideas of the Monsterverse may not be as out there as the Reiwa series, but in all honesty it doesn't need to be. I feel like you can balance the traditional ideas with the new out there ideas, introducing something new while not straying too far from what came before and potentially alienating the fans of the older stuff, something that I personally feel that the Polygon Trilogy and Singular Point kind of have a problem with.
Monsterverse hasn’t really done much new. And the new things it does add are not really criticisable because they’re well made. Take the hollow earth, I’ve seen no criticism on that front.
Notice that in this discussion only concepts and directors motivations have been defended not the movies as a whole. The anime trilogy has many other problems, like the main character not being interesting until the third movie.
