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The monster battles is quite dark, but it contributes to the film's vibe. Gareth saved everything for the third act, and it satisfied in the end.

Also the way the monsters moved, the way they behaved, felt like real animals. Godzilla in KoTM and GvK had facial expressions, which was nice, but it took away the brute animal-like feel to the creatures and gave them a godlike sense. I actually preferred the former. Quoting Bryan Cranston, "Godzilla is a beast and you have to face it."

I’m going to japan. No one can stop me

I really liked how sharp the spines looked in 2014. It made him look a bit more threatening and menacing, but I'd still have to go for the 2019 spines as the shape is so iconic to the character!

Chris

In Godzilla Aftershock, the Muto Prime shatters his spines, so he regrew them.

Chris

It’s funny you notice the name change because I discovered it through a bug on his member page.

Anyway, another concept I have is that anguirus isn’t even a different kaiju from Godzilla at all. First bipedal minya, then. the anguirus stage, and then finally adult Godzilla. I mainly decided this to separate my Godzilla from the other ones in the continuity. Godzilla 3, if you will, is much more savage and brutal than the other two. The killing of the “Anguirus” juvenile is meant to stress this brutality. 

Is that a good idea? 

I have my own idea for a Godzilla trilogy, however it's too big to fit in a comment so I'll make a post about.

*Added a poll to this topic since Polls weren't an option when I started this topic originally*

This should be a fun topic! I'll post my ideas shortly once I flesh them out properly.

Side note, nice to see you again ChrisRemix / MilqueChocolate, been a while! What inspired the name change? Hahaha

Looking forward to this! Glad we don't have to wait too much longer.

2019 spines definitely improved on the 2014 design. The reference to 1954's original dorsal plates was a nice change although I wish they hadn't ret-conned Godzilla 2014's spines during the flashback opening sequence of KOTM. I think they should have kept the original spines for that to maintain canonical accuracy and perhaps explain why the spines evolved between 2014 and 2019 (exposure to more radiation?). Perhaps we weren't meant to notice or ask such questions but my OCD would have appreciated it.

All that being said, G14's spines still looked great when lit up.

G. H. (Gman)

Lyes but at least they weren’t the monster that appears over and over, a giant snake! I just felt it had way less effort put into it.

i would probably make alot movies or more stuff like.

2014: Godzilla

2016: Monster Island (some toho monsters & no godzilla)

2017: Kong: Skull Island (the same)

2019: Godzilla: King of the monsters (the same but with Anguirus)

2021: Monarch series

2022: Godzilla vs Kong (the same, but with more epic battle scenes)

2024: Son of Kong (Kong finds female Kong & baby is born. then Kong & Gorosaurus attack in the hollow earth)

2025: Godzilla 3 Desolation (Godzilla & Anguirus vs Biollante & Gigan)

2027: Mothra (Mothra vs Battra)

2028: Rodan (Rodan vs Megaguirus)

2030: Terror of MechaGodzilla (Godzilla & kong fight against an Upgraded Mechagodzilla & a Mecha King Ghidorah) 

2033: Destroy all Monsters part 1: (Godzilla, Mothra, Rodan, & Kong vs Upgraded Gigan, Hedorah, & Scylla)

2034: Destroy all Monsters part 2: (Godzilla, Baragon, Varan, Behemoth, & Kong vs Destroyah, SpaceGodzilla, & Megalon) 

I already voted, plus isn’t this a comparison between the legendary gojis?

SarcasticGoji,
Well, but, the Skull Crawlers are just a big update of this guy from the original King Kong:

The 2nd to last picture (The Ghidorah one) is awesome. Ghidroah looks like one of the dragons from the movie Dragon Wars.

SarcasticGoji I forgot about Godzilla earth. I'll add the option for you :)

another thing. From what I’ve seen of singular point, it reminds me of my own story and it’s freaking me out.

7amey,
It should also be June 24th.

2019 fins is based on 1954 fins

cool

Ok wait Imma put a timeline that starts before the main plot, it’s a continuation of the showa era.

1999 - Destroy all Monsters

2000 - Beginning of Anti-Kaiju Party

2005 - Anti-Kaiju Party gains popularity

2011 - U.S.A first Country to pass Kaiju Extermination Bill

2015 - U.K Passes A Kaiju Extermination Bill

2016 - Kumacaras attacks Mexico, flies over gulf and attacks Austin, Texas, U.S kills Kumacaras in three days.

2016 - Mexico, Brazil, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Belize, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Panama Pass *Kaiju Extermination Bill

2020 - U.N votes on *KE Bill, exactly 50-50 vote. Japan leading against the bill, with U.S.A and U.K leading for the bill.

2021 - Japan Declares Monster Island as National Park and Kaiju protected as “Extremely Endangered Wildlife”

2022 - Japan passes bill for protection of Alien Species living on earth, under the grounds that they do not interact with Kaiju attacks or related events.

*2024 - A piece of Kilaak Debris sold illegally activates in New York. Godzilla mistakes it for an alien invasion and makes landfall in New York, after many failed attempts an Atomic Bomb  500,000 times stronger than Hiroshima is launched at Godzilla, Killing it and decimating New York.

2024 - U.S again pushes for mandate for Kaiju Extermination and blames casualties of the *New York Incident on Godzilla and not the bomb.

2024 - Manda attacks france and Baragon attacks Moscow. Both are exterminated. 

2025 - U.N passes Kaiju Extermination Bill, Japan is the only country voted against it.

2026 - Kaiju on Monster Island are killed, with few Kaiju escaping. 

2026 - King Cesaer awakens in japan to protect other kaiju, Japan refuses to exterminate and U.N begins attack on King Cesaer

2026 - Mothra arrives to help King Cesaer but both Kaiju are killed, eggs of Mothra Larvae are not found. 

2030 - A stray Kumacaras makes landfall Keramashoto National Park, Japan, and Japan declares it a Protected species. 

I out enough time between it to do original things with it but still have a connection. I like the idea but might not go with it

I’ve seen a few of these. 

I say Plant guy. Godzilla earth is the most powerful godzilla even before the anime. THE US DROPPED 150  NUKES ON HIM AND IT DIDNT EVEN DO A SCRATCH! Plus at 150 ft, (that was his height before the evacuation), he blew up gorath.

I wonder when does it hit China...

Pacific Rim: The Black was on Bilibili at the same time as everywhere else.

warbat felt very uncreative after the last two titans

me tooo!

It's cool, but it's too much like Pacific Rim. I prefer the final film's way of retaining that sense of mystery to MG.

this isn’t an option, but i love godzilla earth’s spines

Way ahead of you! But universe might not be the right word. More like a show...

I love Matt's sense of scale. He understands how to use references, like helicopters or fighter jets that create an epic piece. 

Can't wait to watch it!

Kattozilla

Honestly, as much as fans dislike the Tristar movie, I liked the origin story. The idea of a harmless lizard being mutated into a destructive, dangerous monster is actually pretty cool and it isn't that far removed from the classic Godzilla.

It might be the nostalgia I have for the movie, but I actually enjoy the 1998 film. I honestly think that it had some interesting ideas and I personally really like Zilla's design. The problem was that the ideas and design didn't really fit Godzilla and felt more like an unofficial remake to Beast From 20,00 Fathoms (seriously there are scenes in 98 that are almost identical to that movie).

I actually really like the iguana (Tristar) or the bigg plant (Anime)

i'm not gonna vote just yet though, because i can't decide

i also like both, but actually-

i might go with 14 cause it's...unique, i guess. i'm more used to it because i've known '14 longer anyway (obviously)

SasquaDash,
His origin has not been revealed in the show yet anyway.

"How does that make your arguments and criticism more valid than mine though?"

I never said they were. That's only been your assumption. Nor does said assumption have anything to do with criticizing the work in question and criticizing the critic.

"This is an example of "Show Don't Tell", If the film had constantly repeated statements of "nukes are bad" and "the government is carless" over and over, then it would have been accused of being "preachy" and "annoying", the fact that the film keeps these statements to a minimal and keeps the message somewhat more subtle is, honestly, pretty smart. It allows the audience to find the meanings and come to a conclusion themselves, rather than beating them over the head with it and telling them what to think."

Indeed on the idea of "show don't tell," but what is shown should be explored. The movie never got to a point where the statement was in contention for being "preachy".

"The problem with his "comparison" is that it's too one sided and he doesn't attempt to compare the two. He blindly praises the original film for it's message, while relentlessly bashing the 2014 film for not following the same message. If his goal was to compare and contrast the themes of the films, he did a poor job at it. He completely ignores and writes-off the themes of the 2014 film, claiming that the movie is "about nothing". The article is mostly him claiming that the movie sucks because it's made in America and that America can't make a Godzilla movie. Honestly, I think if the 2014 film was made in Japan he wouldn't have been this harsh towards it."

His comparison was to make the point that 2014 was an insufficient film, so of course he's going to make a case for the 1954 original in comparison to the 2014 flick. Likewise, I don't agree the movie is, "about nothing" and would concede that it's a fairly harsh criticism. But I do think there's a lot about the article he gets right or at the very least find interesting enough to consider.

"So in other words, he gives the Toho movies a pass for not following the themes of the original, but then bashes the American movies for doing the same... That's pretty hypocritical..."

That would be a misread of Ryfle's stance using points I thought we had already gotten passed. Let's revisit, shall we? You even quoted this one:

"I think the reason Ryfle chose to compare the 2014 film to the original was because the 2014 film made the conscious decision to be about nuclear proliferation."

Now you were more upset about the comparison than what this actually meant, it seems. The point is when you make a Godzilla film that centers its thematic narrative around nuclear proliferation, there's a lot of tip-toeing involved--Especially from the film industry of the country that looks at nuclear power much differently than the Japanese. However, there have been plenty of Godzilla movies since 1954 that have not centered their themes around the fear and study of nuclear warfare.

I think writing these criticisms off as, someone complaining because, "it's not Toho" is fairly shortsighted.

"The fact that Toho allowed this scene to stay the same and never spoke out about it (the only complaints that I've seen are from certain elitist fans) implies that they actually approved of it."

Toho also approved of the 1998 design before it went into filming--Quite frankly they only have so much power before studios pull the, "if you want to be a part of the international market, you have to play by our rules" card, which Sony did.

In any case, this isn't a game of "Toho says" and never has been. This is about criticism and cultural responsibilities. For example, Matt Frank told me once how some friends of his in Japan were fairly sickened by the fact that Monarch's super cool, high tech, sci-fi base was called, "Castle Bravo." This gentleman felt that was fairly insensitive and tone deaf, especially in light of the fact they're using a fictional Japanese character born from a reaction of how Castle Bravo effected their country. But if Toho says it's okay, he shouldn't feel that way I suppose.

"however I do think he's being needlessly antagonistic towards these films and constantly throwing too much hate at them (as if anything they do is wrong), when they don't necessarily deserve it."

And I think they do deserve it. They're constantly getting praised and free passes for things other movies are either criticized for or that other movies do tremendously better. That said, when a question is posed in an open discussion forum that I find interesting, I have no issue participating honestly. If that upsets you, I recommend not reading my posts.

You claim that he’s not trying to be condescending and that he just has a strong opinion.

"I only see a lot projecting over taking someone else's word poorly, sorry. Maybe if you pointed out specific sentences or examples I'd be more inclined to engage."- G.H.(Gman)

Yes, because writing off someone's argument, while implying that they're poorly informed because they don't agree with your viewpoint isn't condescending at all...

Unfortunately, you're reading it wrong. There was no condescension there. I genuinely wanted to know what you found "hateful" or "arrogant" because otherwise it does come off as projecting. This was a question posed to help me understand.

"My point is that he demands that people respect his opinions, while completely writing off and (in some cases) disrespecting the opinion of others simply because they don't fit his view points. He asks for proof to back up certain claims, yet when he gets it he immediately tosses it aside accusing it as nothing more than "fan conjecture" and "projecting" and ignores the argument completely. Yet when he makes a claim he immediately expects people to listen to it, no questions asked. It comes off as kind of hypocritical in away. Please note I'm not trying to start a fight with you or Gman, but at the same time I don't think fans acting like this should be the norm, if anything I think this behavior should be avoided."

In 2004 the original, Japanese version of Godzilla hit American theaters for the first time in history. It was opened to massive acclaim by critics and audiences alike. Art house cinemas applauded it and entertainment writers re-evaluated Godzilla as a great movie despite its former reputation. I was curious what one of my favorite film critics wrote about it, Roger Ebert. His review tore the film to shreds. He constantly referred to it as a "bad movie," and had, what I saw to be a narrow minded view of the film. It was quite baffling.

However, the review still had some good and interesting points. As scathing of a write-up as it was, he made some cultural connections worth mulling over and amusing little jabs he noticed that I hadn't thought of before. He hated the movie. I loved it. But I still learned from his review. It's okay to react to scathing criticism without knee jerking to the defense.

That said let's set the record straight: I have never once "demanded" my opinions be respected. That is a lie. I have also been very careful to explain why I don't agree with yours, but never disrespected them. I have asked for proof regarding verifiable facts, i.e. "when did this movie begin shooting?" But I have not asked for "proof" of why you think a certain way. I've only asked what specific sentences do you have to show this person was "arrogant" or "hateful"? (Something you did not deliver on and I can only continue to assume is conjecture as a result.) I have also never expected anyone to listen. I write what I'm thinking and if you feel the need to read it, that's on you.

You are mincing words to make this personal and that is not my doing. That is yours and yours alone. I would recommend perhaps learning to read other people's criticism less personally. Just because someone is delivering harsh, scathing criticism over something you like is not a personal attack. It could potentially be a learning opportunity--But only if you let it.

Otherwise, if you really feel the need to make this personal, my PMs are always open.

I didn't add Singular Point's origin mainly because it hasn't released in America yet, so I don't know the full origin.

Ok this is a good idea, but I'll give mine later.  BRB!

I like both, but I'd go with 2019 because the resemble 1954's fins.