SAW THE MOVIE.. THOUGHTS ANYONE ?

After an extensive research period, I have deduced that "hard feelings" are the leading cause of topic longevity.

^Indeed.

Ben the point of Godzila vs King Ghidorah was that they never got rid of him they created him.

And once again are the 90s movies any more offensive than the late showa(outside the 2 mechagodzilla movies)? If you want to look at problems and bad effects we can look there with every problem you bring up to the 90s movies. 

Why are special effects such an issue here. EVERY era has had different problems with effects. You don't really get into Godzilla because the monsters are doing these hyper realistic things, if a monster gliding through the air is hindering the experience that much you could nitpick pretty much a problem with every single movie in the series.

Uh, no Durp. The whole point of the time travel was them going back in time to get rid of Godzilla and remove him from history. They tried to explain that throughout the film. That was the whole purpose. I mean, "What can you tell us about Godzilla? He's gone." if that were really the case and he was gone, that question would have never came up and The Godzilla book from the supposed future would have vanished. Almost 40 years of Godzilla history, would have been extinguished. 

Also, the tone and mood of that film would have shifted from Godzilla to Ghidorah completely. The book would have been about "The birth of ghidorah." 

Instead, they ask "what is king ghidorah?" The dinosaur that was supposed to be Godzilla that was teleported to the year 1991, was getting rid of the dinosaur so that the atomic bomb did not make the dinosaur become Godzilla. The dorats are left behind in place of the dinosaur, and from that point forward, it was ghidorah that supposedly was to have been around since 1954, whereas Godzilla would have been the mutated monster appearing for the first time ever. 

Which again, Godzilla from 1954 was never confirmed to be a dinosaur. He was this prehistoric monster awakened by nuclear tests. Not mutated. This recalls my statement of the heisei Godzilla being the true bas####ization of the original character. 1991 is a very far cry from 1954. 

The heisei era Godzilla isn't the same Godzilla from 54. The movie shows that.

When I said the point was that they didn't destroy him they created him, that was the irony of the movie. By trying to get rid of Godzilla they dropped him onto a crashed sub that eventually made him the Godzilla that showed up in 84 while another totally different monster showed up in 54. Hence why nothing changes when they come back to 91, except the placement of Ghidorah.

How does it shift to Ghidorah, after they find out about Ghidorah the movie is then is Shindo rushing to try to bring Godzilla back since he views him as a savor, sending another sub to the spot they think the dinosaur was dropped. This explains why the sub runs into an already fully formed Godzilla and is destroyed, with Godzilla coming back larger due to the nuclear energy he just absorbed.

Not sure why you're talking about heisei in a thread about Shin though, it's like because someone mentioned that they liked G14 more than Godzilla vs King Ghidorah your stance became, "well that's only because GvKG sucks." The overarching theme of this thread as the replies so obviously lay out is that no matter how each of us view the movies all of them are different.

You like showa the most and. I like heisei the most, and someone here probably inevitably liked the millennium series the most. Everyone has their favorites and preferences, doubt you'd change anyone else's opinion on how good or bad one of these movies are anymore than they would change yours.

Man the tension is at it's paroxist!

Again, it does not show that. The history of Godzilla from 54 was in the air and around to make people remember who or what Godzilla is. Yes, 54 was dead. However, the one from 55-89 was supposedly to some, the same Godzilla. You and I both know it isn't. Again, when you're trying to get rid of a monster like Godzilla, you travel back to time to stop him from being a part of your history.

Its also noted that the H-bomb in the film, tested on Lagos island is what turned the dinosaur into Godzilla from...wait for it...1954. You of anyone should really know this as a fact from the movie, yet for some reason you try and deny it. I haven't figured out why either.

As far as changing people's minds on these films, that was the least of my worries. I pointed out the films weakness, you tried to defend it. 

And like all topics of past, we always go from one movie to another. It's nothing new at this point. 

1954 is one of the best movies i watched! Most traditional G-fans love it!

I never denied the characters in the movie were wrong about Godzilla's origins. I pointed out the irony in fact, it was the fact they were wrong that created the heisei Godzilla.

Well, Durp, that's the reason why they traveled back in time. Exactly 10 years in advance, which was 1944. True, their theory of the dinosaur was Godzilla in the first place was wrong. But, that did not stop them going back that far to try and stop Godzilla from being a known monster or even the history behind it. 

This is the main problem with the fan base. Every other fan I know of and have talked to believe he was a dinosaur and just looking at our conversation alone, will tell people differently. Even in Godzilla vs. Destoroyah, when they have to kill him before he goes into meltdown, they also state the fact and I quote, "we must kill him the same way we did the first Godzilla (1954), the oxygen destroyer."

I don't see a problem with the logic of going back in time to stop godzilla from being created. The logic was sound in that regard based on the information, the characters had. The explanation isn't exactly sound, but the information is all there to give you the real story in the movie if someone is willing to look.

Hence why I don't view Godzilla vs King Ghidorah as anywhere close to bottom of the barrel in terms of Godzilla movies. It tried a tough idea of time travel and looking into Godzilla's origins. It also is more physical than most of the heisei fights with the monsters displaying a decent amount of movement and one of the best looking godzilla designs. Sure it's basically Godzilla with Terminator logic, but there has been much much worse.

Godzilla vs King Ghidorah was the first Godzilla film I ever saw. It is phenomenal, far better based on tension, action, acting, and drama than Shin-Gojira's lame last half.

............................................too much humilating of Godzilla movies.

It lacks commonsense as I have pointed out severely in my posts Gg. 

A lame last half? Maybe. However, it doesn't lack to severely in special effects, commonsense, and humour. And it has main characters. Not a single one of you have even attempted to point out who the main character(s) are in Godzilla vs. King ghidorah 1991. Oh wait, that's right. It doesn't have any. 

Also Gg, coming from someone who I know that enjoys the ps4 Godzilla game, the ending is almost identical. Especially and specifically, the freezing part. 

And Durp, the basic understanding is the fact that they believed that the dinosaur was indeed Godzilla. Which somehow, someway, teleporting the dinosaur to the year 1991, if this were the true origins, the knowledge, history, or even Godzilla's name, did not disappear the way it should have. 

Instead, we get a dinosaur That turns into Godzilla in the same year. Even the one from 84-89 disappeared,but, the memory of Godzilla was still there. How does that make sense at all? 

And again, if anything held up strong with this film, ghidorah himself would have taken over and re-written the history of Godzilla with himself. It would have been ghidorah that terrorized the city of Japan ever since 1954. Yet, where was he? 

CAN WE STOP THIS IS POINTLESS.

I haven't watched Godzilla vs King Ghidorah for some time but I'm like 90% sure they just moved his location, not sent him through time. Hence the creation of heisei Godzilla, the dinosaur sat in the Berring sea since they transported him in 44 later a Russian sub went down in that area creating heisei Godzilla explaining his origin in 84 when he just rose out of the sea and attacked that ship, hence why it's Biollante's cells that create SpaceGodzilla since all of that did happen, they were the ones that made it happen, since they moved Godzilla here where he could be radiated. 

And Ghidorah wouldn't rewrite history since he was under the control of people who probably kept him inactive since it wasn't until 91 that they were there to control him. Ghidorah was only attacking in 91 because they told him too therefore if they never took control of Ghidorah the monster never would have attacked to begin with.

Listen to what you just said. They went back in time to the year 1944 to stop the dinosaur being mutated by the H-bomb in 1954. Meaning the plague of 1954 was still there. They teleport the dinosaur from 1944 to the year 1991 with 84 Godzilla vanishing. The origin of the 84 Godzilla is supposed to be 1954 only 80 meters tall. 

Plus, the futurians had no idea they teleported the dinosaur to an area with nuclear waste. "Unlike our age, this era is filled with nuclear waste. So it didn't matter where we teleported the dinosaur to. The unavoidable birth of Godzilla could not be ignored."

In other words, Godzilla 54 apparently did not die. That's why the Russian sub went down. The fact is, when the teleport back to the year 1991, Godzilla was still around from 1954. However, again as I pointed out in Godzilla vs. Destoroyah, the quote once more, "We must kill him the same way we did the first Godzilla (1954). The oxygen destroyer."

How do they still remember that Godzilla then? The thing is, they tried too hard to explain the original origins of Godzilla from 54 but, all they did was make a new origin for a new Godzilla.