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The design of godzilla in the upcoming movie is revealed 

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I believe and I hope, that when all is said and done, fans of the Series will love and treasure this entry, if it turns out the way it has the potential to. Without a doubt, it's going to stand out and be different from what has been produced in the last 25 years or so. And I wouldn't want it any other way. But my hope lies in the fact that Shin Gojira is in good, loving, talented hands. That Hideaki Anno and Shinji Higuchi are sons of tokusatsu, its supporters and advocates -and great, gifted artists, by the way- is just what the Series needed at this time. And how pleasingly ironic that this type of film should be made the the wake of a western-produced CGI spectacle. This says something about how the filmmakers feel about the character, the subject and the art form.

More to the topic, the design for Shin Gojira would seem to indicate that the filmmakers are not attempting to ape the Legendary film. It would be very easy to come up with a design that looked revealingly a lot like the Godzilla 2014 design, with minor changes, in order to cash in on the success of the American-made film. But, they didn't. And it's good to know that Shin Gojira was in development before the Legendary film was released.

And the title, Shin Gojira, is just so right.

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You guys need to chill, so I hate the idea of him having tumors and being burned to hell. Don't have to get so sensitive.

All I see when I see the design is a aged 1954 Godzilla. I suspect the new height and teeth are an effect of feeding off radiation but to actually think he got tumors and burns is far fetched to me.

If this is an entirely new Godzilla then maybe your theories are correct but I don't see tumor/burn victim Godzilla becoming a favorite of mine if they blatantly say that in the movie. Makes him sound too weak to me.

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To be more precise, they should really leave Godzilla's appearance to just speculation. I really don't want a scene where a character says "he has tumors, burns and radiation sickness" which leads to the "aww poor creature, he's in pain" 

It would be OK to feel sorry for him when he dies but if they go for the cliche "he's just a poor animal!" throughout the movie, I'll hate that.

and so many of you guys stating how much you already feel sad for him makes me worried about this film. I would rather have the sorrow come from good human characters dying or fleeing.

Like I said, its ok if his death is emotional (it was like that in the original) but I don't want an overly sympathetic Godzilla....leave that to Kong.

I want a pure monster, that's why I'm hoping the movie revolves around the original 1954 Godzilla returning to present Japan and the new generations of humans go "oh shit"

 

The sympathetic elements for Godzilla need to be very subtle and not in your face.

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MECHANI-KONG - I understand and respect your viewpoints. I, too, have no desire to feel complete sympathy for Godzilla. It is far more complex than that. Certainly, Godzilla's flame-ruined state will evoke some sense of pity. However, once he begins destroying Tokyo and annihilating its people's, the only sense that I will experience is horror - the same sense of dread one feels when a monster of his or her own making comes out of the night to lay waste to everything he or she knows. Within that dread exists one driving desire: to destroy the horror before it can destroy you. Thus, this hideous, maimed mutant that is Godzilla should embody nothing but dread - a living cautionary story about the very real nightmares atomic energy can unleash. Of course, if you are opposed to this viewpoint there is nothing wrong with that. The best thing about being two, free-thinking autonomous beings is that we can agree and disagree. :)

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Mechani-Kong,
What you're describing is no different from what was injected in the 1954 film. Once again, no one called him a "burn victim" or "cancer victim" you're misconstruing words and descriptions and utterly misunderstanding... well, everything.

Godzilla has always had keloid scars that a reminicent of bomb victims. It's been to varying degrees, yes, but that's never not been the case and it was a point that Tsuburaya and his crew tried to flesh out with the original design. What you're seeing in regards to the new design is nothing new.

This is not an idea that makes Godzilla weak, it is a physical manifestation of mankind's own horror that is inflicted on one another. It's doubtful it will be literally brought up in dialogue, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he's supposed to look burnt by atomic fires and walked out of it looking like a victim ready to throw a certain nightmare he lived through back in the faces of humanity.

It's a metaphor that's been with the 1954 movie. I don't understand why you would have a problem with it now.

Also you, and others, are assuming that this monster either IS the 1954 creature or the movie relates to it in some way. We currently do not know if there is any connection with the 1954 film or if it's the same Godzilla (unlikely). Assuming otherwise is cherry picking from an invisible tree.

 

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Well you'll have to pardon me as it's confusing when you guys literally describe him as having tumors on his face and skull and also saying he has burnt off features.

And no actually, I don't think assuming this is the old Godzilla is anymore cherry picking than what you guys are doing. We have the name of the movie in both countries being Shin Godzilla (which most sites emphasize meaning Toho wants to bring back the True Godzilla and put the God back in him) and Godzilla Resurgence.

Now you can easily assume that the titles are just Toho taking a childish stab at Hollywoods Godzilla or assume it has an actual part in the plot. Hence I can't think of a better way of bringing back the true Godzilla than bringing back the original.

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Or make another Godzilla that represents the same thing as the original but giving it a modern twist? I think you're taking one definition of shin and looking at it in a literal sense rather than a metaphorical sense.

 

I would also say the assumption of this being the same godzilla is a little more of a stretch than talking about his burns and tumors which is clearly visible in the picture. You seem to be relating sympathetic with tragic. Tragic characters have happened all throughout cinema history. Ones that had no option of were mislead into situations that altered them, however they dealt with them in ways that didn't necessarily scream for you to feel sympathy for them at all time.

A sleeping monster that is awakened and burned to excruciating pain due to mankinds' arrogance is tragic, going and destroying every boat that he comes across then attacking the whole population of a huge city nearby doesn't make him sympathetic though. You can have him be injured and not have every character awing about it all movie for the point of the character to be understood from an audience viewpoint.

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@Mechani-Kong,

Godzilla 54' the original is never coming back. He's dead, toast, history, long gone, bye. Something that's dead can't be resurrected or brought back to life. Too many assume that, the exact same way with the Gmk Godzilla. They are not the same. 

As Durp004 just pointed out, it's clearly visible in the picture of Shin-Godzilla that he does in fact have tumors making up his entire face and his skin is burnt. Cracked and torn even.

"The idea that he got tumors and burns is far fetched to me." Well, unfortunately, radiation does that. Why would it not? You think that the actual victims in Japan when WW2 was happening wanted to be exposed to radioactivity and even die in the process? Or even get cancer? I highly doubt it. Godzilla who is just an animal is no different. Radiation obliterates everything in comes in contact with or really messes people or animals up.

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i dont know if this film is taking a completely realistic approach. i mean at the end of gmk godzillas heart was still beating in the middle of the ocean so i dont think we should assume anything about the film until we see a trailer  

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Huge-Ben

 You and others keep making the HUGE mistake of comparing Godzilla to normal people and animals to prove me wrong. That will never work. 

There's no way of stating Godzilla does in fact have burns or tumors...especially when you're comparing it to normal things. A rough hide on Godzilla is not new and I'm actually surprised we've all now come to the final conclusion that that means he now has tumors as a irrefutablefact. Toho is going for the most nightmare-ish Godzilla ever, making his features more rough would definitely help that. Until some Toho exec states that Shin Godzilla is burned with tumors on his face, then it's just not a fact, period.

As for this comment "Godzilla '54 is never coming back. Something's that's dead can't be resurrected" again...you're comparing Godzilla to normal things. He's a sci-fi/horror monster who has uncalculable regenerative abilities. Godzilla died in 1954, this takes place in 2016. That's a lot of time for something to happen in between movies. He's a fictional monster.

 At the end of the day though, I like the mystery and suspense that surrounds this movie already pre-release. I hope there isn't any huge plot leaks that aren't inrended to be revealed before release.

 

 

 

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"There's no way of stating Godzilla does in fact have burns or tumors."

Actually there is. Look at the image released. Study up radiation and tell me just what it does to the "victims" exposed to it.

"Until some Toho exec states that Shin Godzilla is burned with tumors on his face, then it's just not a fact,period." Thanks to our friends @Gormaru island, who have released the image and even set photos, yeah, it is fact.

"Who has incalculable regenerative healing abilities." Wrong. Find me a reliable resource that came out before 1989 (the first ever Godzilla film to feature the regenerative healing abilities) that suggests that Godzilla had regenerative healing during the showa era and Gmk. 

To actually think that Godzilla 54' is going to regenerate and come back to life is seriously misconception. He's had over 50 years to do so. Even 40, 30, and 20. 

At the end of the day, please listen to the mic drop.

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Ok, you are seriously delusional at this point. I have googled radiation and there is a multitude of different images and effects. There is no "proof" to conclude based on this image of Godzilla.

"Thanks to our friends @Gormaru island, who have released the image and even set photos, yeah, it is fact." um WHAT? A Facebook group releasing a photo and some set pics of filming equals 'Godzilla has tumors?' have they spoken to the filmakers and got confirmation? I looked at the photo on their page and they say nothing.

It's not a fact, is it possible, yes, a fact? lol no. I will advise you to learn more about life before repying, please, especially what a fact is.

"Wrong. Find me a reliable resource that came out before 1989 (the first ever Godzilla film to feature the regenerative healing abilities)" It doesn't matter when he first showed his regenerative abilities. It is a canon ability in Godzilla's lore that Toho could utilize at any time.

"To actually think that Godzilla 54' is going to regenerate and come back to life is seriously misconception. He's had over 50 years to do so. Even 40, 30, and 20." it actually supports the theory more that it would take a long time for regeneration of that magnitude to happen. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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"There is no "proof" to conclude based on the this image of Godzilla." Again, the image is there. You just don't want to see it yourself.

"Have they spoken to the filmmakers and got confirmation? "Yes they have. They along with August Ragone have insiders working with Toho. That's where confirmation is.

"I will advise you to learn more about life before replying." Want make this personal huh? Just FYI, I was once married but, no longer. Yeah, tell me about life again.

"It is a Canon ability in Godzilla's lore that Toho could utilize at any time." That's funny. They didn't use it for the showa era from 1954-1975. They didn't use it for Gmk or final wars either.

"It actually supports the theory more than it would take a long time for regeneration of that magnitude to happen."

Ever watch Godzilla against Mechagodzilla 2002? They used the bones of the 54' Godzilla to make kiryu. Even then, Godzilla' s bones had no body cells, muscle tissue, a heart, livers, lungs, etc to regenerate. Entirely "fan" conjecture to believe Godzilla can regenerate back to life. 61 years now, what makes this any different? 

FYI again, Hideaki Anno, the actual film director has stated that "Shin" stands for these 3 words. "True, NEW, and God." Notice I capitalized "new." That should tell you along with everyone else that this Godzilla is new. Meaning another Godzilla separate from the original.

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"Yes they have. They along with August Ragone have insiders working with Toho. That's where confirmation is." This is usually where you provide a link?...

"Want make this personal huh? Just FYI, I was once married but, no longer. Yeah, tell me about life again" Eh, I tried to make peace by saying that at the end of the day I'm just glad this movie has so much mystery, causing debates and then you said "At the end of the day, please listen to the mic drop" throwing it back in my face that you are indeed factually right in your speculation without PROOF (besides this mysterious Facebook group that you say supposedly has irrefutable proof yet you haven't provided a link), that set me off a bit.

"Ever watch Godzilla against Mechagodzilla 2002? They used the bones of the 54' Godzilla to make kiryu. Even then, Godzilla' s bones had no body cells, muscle tissue, a heart, livers, lungs, etc to regenerate. Entirely "fan" conjecture to believe Godzilla can regenerate back to life. 61 years now, what makes this any different?"

Yes, I also watched a movie where his damned lifeless, separated heart started beating at the bottom of the ocean. Also, in that very movie you used as an example, the original Godzilla somehow took Kiryu over and started blowing $#@& up. I'm also aware we're talking about a series where he flew through the sky. I guess I just don't find it that difficult to believe based on my 20+ years of experience with the series.

 

 

 

 

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"This is usually where you provide a link? "

Uh, I'm sorry but, August Ragone, David Kalaat, Steve ryfle, and Ed Godzisweki aren't going to release this information out to the public. These men have dedicated their lives to get the most detailed informative information from Toho. There are two books written by August Ragone and David Kalaat that put this "fan" conjecture crap on the internet to rest. Those two books are these.

1. Eiji Tsuburaya the master of monsters 

2. A critical history and photography of Toho's Godzilla series. 

What I've stated is fact because it comes from not only the books I just mentioned but from the movies themselves. That's why they are called the showa series, the heisei series, and the millennium series. None of which are in any connection with each other. Meaning the millennium series isn't connected with the showa. Or the showa is connected to the heisei. The showa series is a "loose" continuity while the heisei series is a solid continuity. The millennium are each stand alone films. 

Yeah, Gmk Godzilla at the end, the heart was beating. That doesn't mean he was going to "regenerate." If Gmk did have regenerative healing like the heisei Godzilla, don't you think his shoulder/neck wound would have healed in no time? 

No where in any of my posts have I said that this was my speculation. Perhaps the "please listen to the mic drop "was a bit uncalled for but, you haven't provided me a reliable resource to show me that Godzilla has always had regenerative healing abilities ever since 1954. 

20+ years of knowledge huh? Then like me, you should know there is more than just one Godzilla. Hence Godzilla raids again 1955. This is where professor Yamane' s statement at the end of the original Godzilla comes in. "I can't believe Godzilla was the only surviving member of its species. But, if we keep on conducting nuclear tests, it's possible another Godzilla might appear in the world again." 

I mean, the answers are in the films themselves. Who needs a computer and a link to provide the information? 

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Yes, I know there is more than one Godzilla. I just think this movie would be exciting if it was Godzilla1954 returning. With Legendarys Godzilla still fresh in everyones mind, the timing couldn't be more appropriate. With the striking similarities of the design and the symbolic sounding title, it makes it impossible for me not to become suspicious.

I'd be happy with either outcome overall as long as the movie is quality.

but at this point I think we'll start going in circles. A full trailer can't be too far off, we should see what pops up then.

 

 

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Guy's it's just a godzilla design calm down!

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@ Saitama - "Let them fight."

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DESTOROYAHX - Hahaha! Goofball. ;)

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"Guy's it's just a godzilla design calm down!"

Saitama,
You clearly weren't around the fandom during the Millennium series flicks... This is tame.

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