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Is the 2014 Atomic Breath the same as the Showa era Atomic Breath?

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As we know, Godzilla 2014's Atomic Breath is awesome. But many have said that it wasn't at full strength. This may true do to how much energy Godzilla had after taking a beating from two monsters, but is there more to it than what we see. Let's take a look. The Atomic Breath is the classic Neon Blue we've all come to know and love. It is flame-like in appearance. And it seemed to do nothing more than badly burn and injure the Female Muto. If it was used on buildings, it may have set them a blaze and caused them to explode.Godzilla atomic breath 2014Now let's look at the Showa era Atomic Breath. It is flame/vapor-like in appearance. It is Neon Blue. It seems to do nothing more than scorch and injure other monsters in combat. It also causes buildings to explode.Godzilla Atomic Breath Showa eraIs the 2014 Atomic Breath the same as the Showa era Atomic Breath? I think so. I mean, look at it. If it is true that the Atomic Breath was at full strength, does that mean that in the next movie, the Atomic Breath will look more like the Heisei or Millennium era Atomic Breaths?Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla atomic breathGodzilla final wars Atomic Breath

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its also in the making of book where they talk about how they made him.

Good grief.

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Well as one who constantly questioned why the MUTOs needed an EMP pulse in prehistoric times, it would make sense for Godzilla to have an electrical sack, especially since it was established in the movie that they were natural enemies.

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I fail to see how any of that has a great deal to do with my post or why you couldn't apply your logic to 26 out of the 29 Godzilla incarnations.

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@GORILLAGODZILLA77897 There's no interview in that link.

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Unless it is actually confirmed in a future film or by Edwards or someone else with authority that LPG does indeed have this "electric sac" that is impaired by EMPs, I will assume that the real purpose of the red pulse released from the Mutos' claws is to cause additional internal damage via the shockwave it produces, and that the EMP is merely a side effect.

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Well, I remember coming up with the theory a LONG time ago, back when we were still being teased like crazy. Ah......... good times. And it was very nice to know that I was right when it came to how the new atomic breath would take form. In fact, it's not even really an 'atomic" breath anymore, since it's pure plasma. Now, as plasma works the way it does, that means no "beam-battles" or whatnot, but then again........ beam battles didn't logically work anyways.

A stream of pure radiation, even with the force of an atomic bomb behind it, isn't really gonna engage in a struggle with another "beam". It would just explode into pretty colours, or sweep up the attack in its path :P

Anyways....... we know Godzilla uses electricity from somewhere to super-ionize gases in his body, powered by his radiation reserves, to create pure plasma, which can permanently destroy MUTO cells that can regenerate quite quickly and efficiently. Granted, it's nowhere near Orga levels. More like G2000 levels. That in adn of itself is quite the feat, but until we see it's usage on the environment, we can't judge its power yet due to its impaired force in the movie and novel.

However, judging from its intensity and the facts about plasma in general...... it's probably gonna melt buildings and other kinds of structures alike like melting butter in an oven ;)

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I’m in a bit of a rush, so if someone has already mentioned this, my apologies. The Heisei and Millennium era breath weapons have something that the Showa does not, which makes one think they are more powerful. Namely, they have concussive properties. Godzilla never forced an opponent backwards in the Showa era with his breath weapon because it was primarily a heat-weapon. He could melt things with it. Heisei breath was largely a concussion force, which would push things around, while having surprisingly little heat. 2014 Godzilla’s breath weapon is, like Showa, a heat-weapon. No concussive force behind it.

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Um nietzsche, the breath pushed back the Female quite abit.

Good grief.

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It did but I think she was just retreating, trying to evade it as it was probably horribly painful.

How far can we push nature before it pushes back?
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Durpoo- also im absolutely not saying he is the most powerful breath in Godzilla history. Im stating that his breath is no slouch. If he did use the breath a second time on the mutos body not the throat it still would have killed her.

Your not taking into account what had happend before that scene. He killed the male and then he had enough and wanted to end the battle definitively, ever get the feeling that this Godzilla was semi sentient? he was tired after 4 days straight of hunting and fighting. by breathing it down her throat. And i never said Godzilla 2014 is the fasted or best melee.

I was saying he can do alot more then some of the original Godzilla's. What i have been shocked at lately is that its the first time were seeing a realistic Atomic breath and your calling it one of the weakest.

I mostly agree with you Durpoo but there are statements you make that arent true. The weakest atomic breath GvsKK, Godzilla 2014s breath pushed back the female with concussive force while using extreme heat to actually leave a hole in her head and let steam come out!

All im saying is atleast give Godzilla 2014 some credit he is the first american one and most likely the last. You all should appreciate the sequels and this film ok. It has been 10 years since a Godzilla movie and we got a awesome one. Ok maybe after you see Godzilla 2014 fight Ghidorah or something you will stop downgrading him. So i dont want to get into anymore fights with people because i love everyone here! So please understand my posts.

Good grief.

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Well,  I believe that the Muto EMP basically proves the electric sack theory in my opinion. Look wise, Showa and Legendary look very similar but in power, I dunno

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You know, my ideas for a "super" plasma breath in the future got me thinking....... this plasma breath is already quite intense to the eyes, and only a pure white glow from the dorsal spikes and breath could surpass it, but then....... it might be a bit blinding, that way, wouldn't it?

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GorillaGodzilla- The FeMUTO was recoiling in pain, not being pushed back by the breath weapon. If it were being pushed back, it would’ve likely lost balance and fell backwards. Instead it was trying to get away. Also, when Goji was force-feeding it the weapon, it was never pushed down. Goji was quite easily keeping her in place. If it were concussive, he would’ve been struggling to hold it still.

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All I can think of is if beam locks are no longer an option, then that's boring as hell... Who cares how strong the rays are if they're no fun? At least his new ray looks cool.

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I never understood the appeal of a beam-lock. It's rather lazy and visually, each of them are effectively the same.

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^It's the aftermath that differs. Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla, Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla II and Godzilla Final Wars all had very different outcomes from the beam lock. Flashing animations vs. spark bombs vs. mass explosions keeps things pretty fun.

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To each their own. I still dislike it. I’d rather the beams be more than blasts from the punch-dimension.

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^Lucky for you, 95% of the time, they are in this series.

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@GORILLAGODZILLA11897 Nobody is "downgrading" LPG here. I'm sorry that you can't seem to understand this, but we don't all base our opinion of how powerful a movie monster is on how much we like the movie it's from. Godzilla 2014 is one of my favorite Godzilla movies, and I absolutely appreciate how lucky we are that it exists, but that doesn't mean I have to pretend that he's one of the most powerful incarnations of Godzilla in any respect. He's probably in the upper half of them, but only because of his size; if they were all the same size, he definitely would not rank highly. I don't think this because of some dislike for him, but simply because it's true. The more grounded/"realistic" tone of the film means that he doesn't do ridiculous things like perform martial arts, jump thousands of feet in the air, throw things twice his own weight like ragdolls, fight for hours without tiring, effortlessly resist enemy monsters' attacks, regenerate at speeds that put Wolverine to shame, blow other monsters to kingdom come with his Atomic Breath, or absorb large amounts of energy to use even more ridiculously powerful Spiral Rays; since these are all things that other Godzillas can do (not even mentioning the stuff Final Wars Goji pulled off), LPG naturally falls behind somewhat in terms of power. This doesn't mean that I think he's one of the "worst" Godzillas, just that he's not a particularly powerful one.

As for the whole electric sac thing, unless the interview Gorilla Godzilla has mentioned is real (I have searched quite a bit and not found even any mention of it), there is literally nothing that indicates that it exists in the film canon. I could say that the Mutos' EMP ability proves that there was an advanced civilization during Godzilla's time, and it would make just as much sense as saying that it proves Godzilla has an organ that was only mentioned in a non-canon novelization written by omeone not involved in the making of the film.

More on-topic, I think some people seriously need to go and rewatch the Showa films and reconsider how weak they seem to think Showa Godzilla's Atomic Breath is. The only monsters I can think of that were able to just "keep coming" when they were hit by it were Rodan and Hedorah; other than that, just about every monster, even powerhouses like King Ghidorah and Mechagodzilla, were knocked down, staggered, or otherwise showed signs of really being hurt by it. Now, two blasts from LPG's Atomic Breath did hurt the Muto more than two blasts from Showa Goji's generally does, but we must remember that not only did it take 17 seconds to charge them, but each blast lasted about 5 seconds, whereas Showa Goji's generally last about 1 second; if his Atomic Breath was sustained for as long as LPG's, it would probably do just about as much damage. Because of this, I'd say that the answer to the question posed in the title is yes, LPG's Atomic Breath is just about the same power level as Showa Goji's... assuming the Showa monsters are at roughly the same level of durability as the Legendary-verse monsters (i.e. able to tank nukes), which is hard to tell due to the inconsistencies and all around nonsense of the Showa series.

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"Non-canon novelization"...... whilst co-developed alongside the movie as an expansion of the events in the film...... whilst also explaining other key elements not explored in the film, and actually gives some depth and expands on what we've seen........

If the novel weren't canon, then Godzilla doesn't have a plasma breath, nor would the MUTOs have any reason to have EMPs that are clearly not just accidents, but specifically evolved weapons. Sure, we can debate the whole "electrical sack" thing for awhile, but it just makes sense, and it all fit together rather nicely, really.

Had this Godzilla simply used a radiation stream like past iterations, he wouldn't have been able to kill the female MUTO, due to her being able to simply absorb the radiation. Plasma makes sense, and its general physics shows it to be extremely powerful. As well, using plasma reall does pay homage to the original Gojira, because its gaseous energy-based form resembles the original, and would logically melt stuff in a similar manner, only more dramaticallly and with more efficiency.

Whether or not it's going to be able to hold up against other radiation-based atomic breaths depends on its usage, if any, outside of monster-on-monster combat. It's definitely got to be more powerful next time around, unless some other giant monster is throwing around EMPs like no tomorrow.

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