
Godzilla'swrath
MemberMothra LarvaeMay-17-2014 10:31 PMLike the title says: SPIOLERS ALERT SPOILERS!!!!!!!
So, for those of you who have seen the movie already, we all know about the eye contact between Godzilla and Ford. Now, whenever I see that look on Godzilla's face I always think of him saying:" I'm sorry, I failed you....." but another thing that cathes me is that how HUMAN his face and eyes look. He looks so sad and defeated. It makes me think how much a really cares about the human race. But for that being another topic, here's my theory:
So, we all know Joe Brody, Ford's dad, blames the MUTO's (even though he doesn't know exactly what they are yet) for his wife's death. Now keep this in mind: Godzilla has not been awaken yet, but is still asleep somewhere in the ocean. After Joe finally sees for his very eyes what this creature truly is, he is imediattly killed off, by being thrown off a metal walk way from the muto's attack.
Now, my thinking is that Joe's spirit somehow awoke Godzilla, and maybe even took over his body, Because of my previous sayings of how Godzilla looked at Ford. But some other hints to this is that When Ford blew up the eggs and the female muto was going to eat him, Godzilla charged himself up like a boss, and saved Ford with his atomic breath. And also Godzilla never hurt any of the Navy ships, well at least not on purpose anyways. lol.
look, I know this sounds far fetched, but just think about it........Please leave your thoughts! but please keep them positive. thank you!

Carl Majors
MemberMothra LarvaeMay-18-2014 5:15 AMYes, and I don't know enough of the math to be able to pry into it and really look deep--seems limited, but also seems their number is firmly rooted in the calculations they've labored over the last 30 years. Dunno if unified theory will ever make it (not like it is now)
Yep, I'm with you on God. Funny Sagan said that. I found his strident agnosticism irritating at times. I understand well scientists skepticsm of God, however, when they get insistent on it, I think they're overcompensating...
However, the biggest challenge to God I've seen yet, is actually in Hawking's book. Bascially throws causality right out the window, which if you also follow complexity theory, advanced sensemaking techniques and the like seems appropriate..and we will spend at least 100 years even approaching how to think about our physical world that way.
The million dollar question: if they invent a quantum computer?...My intuition tells me the implications are so..expansive...it could change humanity overnight...I worry about that.

Something Real
MemberGodzillaMay-18-2014 5:28 AM
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Carl Majors
MemberMothra LarvaeMay-18-2014 5:44 AMAhh, I wish I had your faith...my experience is that every new technology is exploited for good and bad--look at what criminals do with the internet, and trust me, it's big deal. Our society is increasingly specialized and as a result, individuals seem less and less concerned with the broader implications of their actions: scientists and lawyers in particular. My concern is in the new levels of "truth" such a thing may reveal...what if, we could suddenly "see" complex, emerging order and predict it like we can with complicated systems now? We could simultaneously "solve" complexity...but then what? As with many things, we've come close to earning the cognitive right to open that door, I'm just not so sure we've gotten there with our souls... See where I'm going?

Carl Majors
MemberMothra LarvaeMay-18-2014 5:57 AMGodzilla's Wrath,
Yes, Godzilla has a seemingly benign side, but I think it is truly more condescension. I think his manner is more like, say, the character Galactus, than it is friendly. Yes, he clearly avoids those things...I think it is more reflective of a smart animal. A bear can pull the top of my car door down like tin foil...but if he can get to my food without having to destroy anything and exert himself, he will. I think Godzilla is less mindful of not hurting people than he is thinking, "Gotta swim over there to get to beach--whaaa? Those little ants are blocking the water? uhhhhhhhh...okay, going under them...folks, I got MUTO to kill, you're not helping--outta the way!"
We really, really are beneath him in this movie. Yes, there is some tiny bit of connection there--for a moment, and as living creatures on the same earth--but him getting up and immediately leaving, deep & out of sight snaps that reality right back--we are separate and below him...and best we remember it.

ratedrex
MemberMothra LarvaeMay-18-2014 6:12 AMThis theory makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever.
You guys are reaching. You are trying to force yourselves to love this movie. You been waiting for this damned thing for so long that you choose to ignore the fact that most of the things in Godzilla don't work.

Carl Majors
MemberMothra LarvaeMay-18-2014 6:28 AMUm, like what? Care to elaborate? If you say certain things in the movie didn't hit the mark, I could agree...not sure what you mean really though.
I for one, didn't force it liking it. I gave it 4 out of 5, but not higher because, well, I did think they could have done better with the Ford Brody character, they killed Cranston far too soon, and they lost one of their own main themes--family (I mean, how many posters here felt more connection with the MUTO family than the younger Brody family? right?). But it's about Godzilla...and yes, we didn't see probably quite enough of him, but that was deliberate...so...did it work? I think overall it did. It was a Godzilla movie after all...most of us here seem to like Godzilla, and most of us seemed to like it. The box office will speak for everyone else, especially on weekend #2...
I'll admit, after the Emrich disaster, probably a few of us wanting this one to work no matter what...but I don't think we're being outrageous here on that. The movie was a visual spectacle--that is undeniable.
I'd agree with you if you're saying we're reading too much into Godzilla's mentality and trying to make him seem more human than he is...I'd agree--he's basically somewhere between a dog and gorilla in intelligence...but I think that's part of the point...he's not as "smart" as us...yet still above us. I think the movie reinforces that, oh, about 5 or 6 times at least...power is power, and well, he's got the most. That simple.

sabienpanther
MemberMothra LarvaeMay-18-2014 7:23 AMIf that theory is what it is then that would have been great for a Toho movie.
I thought it was more, two apex predators looking at one another. Both are the uncontested tops of their foodchain, but Godzilla is still the superior of all, its sort of.
"Stay out of my way, and i wont eat you, fellow Apex Species."

Carl Majors
MemberMothra LarvaeMay-18-2014 8:13 AMSabienpanther,
Funny you said that. I remember thinking, early in the movie that it seemed strange that Godzilla and the MUTO could be "close" in terms of their position in the food chain so to speak...
My point is, parasites are, well, parasites. How many do we see in the natural world that also happen to be large and in charge? None I can think of... usually, they're sneaky, smaller etc...now, it's all relative, right? Except that we were told that GZ was the ultimate A Pred and at the tippy top. Hard to argue there...so my natural inclination from there would be that he's a lot more powerful than they are...well, maybe he is--he did have to fight two at once of course.
Now, I suppose Edwards' inspiration for the MUTO might have been drawn from the Tarantula Hawk...that could make it seem credible.

Duratok
MemberMothra LarvaeMay-18-2014 8:25 AMI really hope this movie doesn't have any silly supernatural themes to it.
When I saw that look on Godzilla face, I didn't see an expression that showed his regret for failing humanity. I saw a tired, ancient majestic animal that just wanted to rest.

ratedrex
MemberMothra LarvaeMay-18-2014 8:59 AM@Carl Majors:
Godzilla needed a bigger budget (about $60 million more), a better script, a more seasoned director, a musical score that wasn't intrusive and more awe, mayhem, destruction, fear, terror, regret, and all the emotions essential to this genre. They needed more explanations, more battles between monsters and man; I wanted to see them destroy cities, not just the aftermath of their destruction. I wanedt to know where Godzilla lives, how did he come to be, and why when Godzilla breathed his atomic breath that no one in the movie seemed to be surprised. The only gasps I heard came from the folks that I was watching the movie with.
Gareth Edwards was way over his head. What a monumental let-down. No wonder they kept the embargo on so long, the studios probably thought they were going to get killed by the critics. But they underestimated how badly people wanted this movie to work. I'm 57 years old. I've been a Godzilla fan for 52 years. Now I'm afraid that I will never see the Godzilla saga done as well as the first one.

Carl Majors
MemberMothra LarvaeMay-18-2014 11:51 AMWasn't the budget for the film over $100M? Dunno, didn't seem cheapo to me...

Godzilla'swrath
MemberMothra LarvaeMay-18-2014 12:18 PM@Carl Majors- Thank you for the apology and clearing that up with us. I can understand how my theory is so far fetched and how you were only having a little fun. I know i've had similar problems with other fans in the past, and when I see something like what you had posted, I, for some reason, take it as an attack. I honestly think that it's because in the past, there were always people that were not so nice to me. And so whenever I see posts like that, or if I see someone who I feel is about to give me trouble, I automatically put up my sheild and sword and fight back. I guess I'm just always ready to go to battle if I "have" to.
But with that aside, I honestly should have thought of that particular post as something my friends do to me almost all the time. my bro even gives me BS about Godzilla ALL THE TIME! but I ALWAYS know he's joking. I guess to me it's just different seeing it come from a person I don't usually talk to on a daily basis. So to you, I apologies for the response I posted. I didn't give myself chance to think about what you were saying and cool down before I went to being aggresive.
But I do encourage you to be you! If you feel someone should have a joke thrown at them, joke with them. but make sure you tell them it's only joking, otherwise what happnened here, might happen again.

Carl Majors
MemberMothra LarvaeMay-18-2014 12:27 PMDude, I was the most oversensitive kid on earth and stayed that way into my early 20s...now I don't like it if people don't make fun of me. Just had to decide to get over it...wasn't easy, but I did it. You will too.
A great man in my profession once said, "I like people who take their job seriously...but not themselves." I'm working on it...

Something Real
MemberGodzillaMay-18-2014 3:04 PM
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Carl Majors
MemberMothra LarvaeMay-18-2014 4:02 PMYou're good girl...sleep is good too! ;-)
Hey, I'm gonna post a sequel idea..tell me what you think...
petedj06
MemberMothra LarvaeMay-18-2014 4:29 PMI felt like Godzilla was saying "you would NOT believe the terrible day I'm having."

Sachiel
MemberMothra LarvaeMay-23-2014 2:36 AMI don't like bumping old topics but I've watched this scene several times. Godzilla was pinned, tired, eyes closed and trying to catch his breath. I mean he does have a giant building on top of him during this.
Once he opens his eyes he spots Ford and makes a slightly bemused expression despite how tired he is. He turns his head to get a closer look at him and the look he gives Ford, looks like he's showing a sympathetic smile. Not smiling like in literally smiling, but he probably finds the situation to be pitiful. It's hard to explain it. But he mostly just looks defeated and tired.
Afterwards his eyes quickly shut and he's engulfed by smoke.

Something Real
MemberGodzillaMay-23-2014 3:30 AM
Destroyah-x
MemberMothra LarvaeMay-23-2014 4:14 AMActually, for those who noted that Godzilla got tired pretty quickly while confronting the MUTOs, I think they might have overlooked certain details in the movie because of the scenes that got cut off quickly whenever Godzilla and the flying MUTO were about to engage each other in battle.
If we look at the sequence of events leading to the final battle, Godzilla first descended upon San Francisco Bay during the daytime, where he engaged the flying MUTO in the city centre, which is where the scene got cut off. What wasn't shown to the viewers was that Godzilla was battling the flying MUTO throughout the time, which acted as a circle of defence so that the larger female MUTO could lay her eggs in peace. The battle between the flying MUTO and Godzilla raged on till the night, cutting into the Halo jump scene. After pushing through the line of defence of the flying MUTO, Godzilla finally reached the nest of the Female MUTO which has just laid her eggs. Godzilla, already tired like the female MUTO who has just laid her eggs, he gives out his loudest roar and confronts the MUTO queen, and is later beaten out when two MUTOs team up against him.
" Your kind feared the Darkness. "