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MemberMothra LarvaeOctober 22, 20134438 Views30 Replies
We know from interviews with Gareth Edwards that the new Godzilla will be "grounded in realism", but aside from realistic military responses what does this mean for the Godzilla creature? This thread will discuss the realistic aspects to Godzilla. To start our discussion, we will look at the leaked American Godzilla head and neck [img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4yI8nz64Nsc/UjBxqSycdSI/AAAAAAABDog/Qjo8ka9XncY/s1600/godzilla2014_godzilla_face_spotted.jpg[/img] To help in understanding the 'realism', I will compare to the 1954 Godzilla (from which this creature is based on). 1954 Gojira ___________ 1: Lived in the Deep Sea yet able to be on land. 2: Attacked only during the night. 3: Military attacks had no effect on the 1954 Gojira. 4: Fired an Atomic Heat Ray. 5: Walked on two legs, tail used for support and for attack (if needed). -------Now for America's New/True Godzilla------- 2014 Godzilla _____________ 1: Realistically, Godzilla would need gills to survive in the water. At the same time, it would need a system for survivability on land. Lungfish are one example of this trait. The black skin color is actually another aspect of deep sea life. Anything dwelling in the dark depths of the sea (yet above 6000 meters deep) tend to have 1 solid dark color. Color typically is brown, red, or black (not counting the creatures that can glow). A black colored Godzilla would, to our vision, be well hidden in the black sea. 2: Animals that live in the deep sea dwell in waters that no sunlight reach. Thus their eyes would be sensitive to daylight. Many deep sea critters swim to 'shallower' waters during the night and retreat back down before dawn. Godzilla would need deep sea eyes to realistically attack only at night. Notice the pupils on Godzilla, they seem to be 'X' shaped. Cephalopods have slit pupils, though some have a 'U' or 'W' pupil. The advantages to cephalopod-like eyes is that it (unlike our eyes) wouldn't have a blind spot! 3: Now the super fast regeneration like the Japanese Gojira and the X-Men character Wolverine aren't realistic. However, a super tough hide would be possible! Humans have been working on making armor for soldiers that's both tough and lightweight. In recent years, we've even made armor tougher and lighter than Armor Kevlar and diamonds. Theoretically, the scales could be light yet tough enough to withstand even Modern Military attacks. 4: Now later versions of Japanese Gojira had a concussive force (not really seen in the 1954 Gojira by comparison). Fire doesn't work to well underwater alone, but intense heat would work. Realistically, I see the new Godzilla Atomic Breath having a concussive force, extremely high heat, and lethal radiation. In my mind, the Atomic Breath should be a mobile version of our Atomic Bomb (but capable of working underwater). 5: In real life, our largest land animals had tree-trunk like legs as seen on Elephants and the Sauropod Dinosaurs. Godzilla would need this to realistically be on land were it a real creature. The tail might be thicker than typical Japanese Gojira to further provide support (and at the same time make an earthquake if it were to be slammed on the ground). 6: In the 1998 TriStar 'Godzilla' movie, Zilla's footsteps made the people and cars shake due to its massive weight. The True American Godzilla would be much heavier, thus causing small earthquakes with each step. {I know, many don't like the 98 film due to the creature not being Godzilla/Gojira. I like Zilla, but fully know it's not Godzilla so I'm quite pleased we're getting a True American Godzilla. That said, the cars/people shaking is something not seen other films so one can appreciate this realistic aspect).

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@GMAN115 You're right, TriStar should have followed "Gojira's" characteristics, but they wanted money. I have a lot of confidence in this movie because I watched Gareth Edward's "Monsters", and I thought it was beautiful for a low-budget film. Now with all of the materials at his disposal, he will be able to make a greater film. He likes realism because he was thinking,(and this is a quote directly from him) "What if someone from ToHo actually saw this creature and ran back to the studio to try to make an exact representation." According to this movie, if Godzilla was an actual creature of mass destruction (we would all be screwed if he was), how would we act or what would our actions be or possibly, how would are military respond to the threat? He also wanted to make Godzilla specifically as realistic as possible.
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All us G-fans really want in our Godzilla for this film is for his powerful status to remain like that,perhaps even exceed that of his predecessors. Key things include being impervious to any significant damage from military armaments (that means all those fancy missile strikes too!),an atomic breath that can level entire city blocks without effort (in fact,I think total vaporization would be better in this film),and a knack for never showing any signs of slowing down from anything short of an oxygen destroyer or nuclear meltdown.
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@GMAN115 - I don't like being negative and I hate calling people this but... you're kind of stupid. Your argument reads as follows: "@True American Godzilla "Realistically, Godzilla would need gills to survive in the water. No he doesn't, Godzilla never needed any gills before, so why now? Let's not forget that Godzilla is a dinosaur, and if you look back to his ancestors, there are a lot of types of dinosaurs that can breath underwater WITHOUT THE USE OF GILLS!!! The underwater breathing mechanism is probably inside of Godzilla's nose, that's why he was able to stay down there for so long without any problems. Giving Godzilla gills is pretty much useless. BTW, those things you call "gills" on his neck aren't really gills, those are scales that HAPPENS to look like gills." So let's break this down shall we? First off! "No he doesn't, Godzilla never needed any gills before, so why now?" Actually, yes he did. Toho chose not to go into the matter of how Godzilla could breath under the water. Why? We may never know for sure, but the most likely reason is to expand on the mystery that surrounds him. All animals that have lungs will need a set of gills to live in the sea. The only animals today which fit that category are amphibians (amphibian actually means "living two lives", referencing their life on land with their lungs and in the sea with their gills), so if you want to classify Godzilla realistically, he is in fact an amphibian. He's reptilian in nature, but if he breathes underwater via the use of gills or any other oxygen or water filtration system he's no longer classifiable (scientifically speaking) as a reptile. He is an amphibian. If he breathes underwater, he needs gills because it's obvious he has a pair of lungs to breath air. If he doesn't have gills, it's impossible to breath underwater, period. Next! "Let's not forget that Godzilla is a dinosaur, and if you look back to his ancestors, there are a lot of types of dinosaurs that can breath underwater WITHOUT THE USE OF GILLS!!!" This is where your stupidity really shows kid. First off, Godzilla was classified as an irradiated dinosaur in the movies, but let's not forget the fact that this is a theory and not a solid fact. All dinosaurs had lungs and breathed air. They were reptiles. All sea creatures during the time of the dinosaurs that could survive in water indefinitely without lungs or the need to breath air were classified as fish or some other manner of sea creature such as a crustacean, mollusk, amphibian, etc,. There is not a single dinosaur species in the fossil record that did not have lungs or breath air, nor a single species that could breath underwater. Again, I hate being negative and calling people this but you are in fact kind of stupid. Next! "The underwater breathing mechanism is probably inside of Godzilla's nose, that's why he was able to stay down there for so long without any problems. Giving Godzilla gills is pretty much useless." More stupidity. First, you acknowledged the fact that Godzilla needs some kind of breathing mechanism to breath underwater. News flash, there is only one breathing mechanism in the world that allows for this to take place: gills. And quick question: Where is the evidence to support this theory of yours about a "breathing mechanism" being inside Godzilla's nose? I'd like to know very much where you came up with this because it was obviously not based on any kind of study or knowledge of animals or biology. Again, without the use of gills, be they internal or external, breathing underwater is impossible. Toho never said whether he had gills or not, but the fact remains that there had to have been some kind of gill system in place within his being to allow him to breath underwater without drowning him. And finally, my favorite bit! "BTW, those things you call "gills" on his neck aren't really gills, those are scales that HAPPENS to look like gills." You have obviously never studies animals or animal biology. If you had, those gills would stand out for what they are (gills) like a crimson red devil horned hat in a christian church on Sunday. Go do some research on gills one of these days. See what they look like across various types of animals which use them and you'll begin to see why they are in fact gills and not scales. If you want to debate someone, do so armed with facts and knowledge instead of fan-boy opinions. You obviously had no idea what you were talking about when you made that argument, and when you come unarmed to debates like this you set yourself up for destruction. That's exactly what happened here too. Your arguments have been completely and utterly destroyed. A mind is a terrible thing to waste GMAN115, so try not to waste yours any further.
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Kyero, you are amazing.
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@Kyero Watch it, boy, I'm not stupid. You clearly are the one who is stupid, Godzilla was able to breathe fine underwater without gills, I see no reason to give him any. Everything I said was careful analyzing, not fan beliefs, I've been watching Godzilla films for a long time, and I see no purpose for gills. Godzilla is a dinosaur, and if you look back to his ancestors, some dinos didn't need gills, look it up, moron. "Why Toho never gave Godzilla gills?" Maybe because they never [b][i]HAD[/i][/b] any intentions to add them. You are as dumb as a bag of shit, so careful not to mess with me, 'cause I can get pretty nasty when it comes to harshful arguments, and you don't want me to get nasty here. So don't waste [b][i][u]YOUR[/u][/i][/b] brain (if you HAVE any), and let others do their own analyzing.
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Guys, calm down. There is NO need for name calling here I don't care what the problem is it's not the way to argue a point. Please have respect for one another. Thank you. :)

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True American Godzilla, yeah, no problem. xD Your ideas and reasoning were eye opening to say the least. Also, Gman, Kyero makes some excellent points, although I didn't agree with the name calling. Kyero, gman made some good points as well. Kiss and make up, or get the hell out of here.
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To be honest, I hope they don't stick with the whole dinosaur thing. It's been over used and it is very cheesy. Since 1954 there has been a tremendous amount of discoveries and I'm hoping we'll see something new and interesting in this film. As for what animal Godzilla could be, I thinking a Synapsid or theropsid. Godzilla has more mammal-like reptiles features then a dinosaur. But whatever idea they come up with should be good. Godzilla is from the ocean, which is the most unknown and surprising places we know of.
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@STEVEN1985 To be realistic, I to hope they don't use the surviving dino bit. The ocean is mostly unexplored, so who knows what monsters lurk there already (let alone mutated ones). What would be funny, if they had a James Cameron type dive to the Mariana Trench in the movie and is the first to be attacked by Godzilla (instead of finding nothing).

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The teaser and possible trailer (the second vid that WB removed) are here: Teaser: https://mega.co.nz/#!sB11ibqb!DHdW0iNrh46UMKqRhzxVDzQevlE_EbtRtzdD2Yhc-Hk Teaser (HD): https://mega.co.nz/#!YQNTzLyL!BcGbUVZl8497ACgxSpNfbBSVoF1TwiRAZxWBG26sWp4 (Possible) Trailer: https://mega.co.nz/#!BIkRQYZA!etJKKi-ktLD7A7QQDMThhX13lml4r87DgrGZbGSdbqs You are welcome guys :)

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